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Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan

141 - Alice Dreger (Historian of Science)

Tangentially Speaking with Christopher Ryan

Chris Ryan

Arts, Society & Culture

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 August 2015

⏱️ 120 minutes

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Alice recently resigned her position as a professor at Northwestern University's Medical Humanities and Bioethics Program over her refusal to surrender academic freedom. She's the author of Galileo's Middle Finger: Heretics, Activists, and the Search for Justice in Science.



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Radio Manu, Papa Tzango.

0:03.0

I saw an amazing film last night called The Source Family.

0:33.0

It's about this sect that sprung up in the spring up.

0:48.0

Anyway, the sect in LA in Hollywood, in fact in the early 70s.

0:54.0

Very strange, interesting situation where this guy, this sort of superhuman dude actually in some ways,

1:08.0

made a shit ton of money, was a war veteran, was not really a bodybuilder, but back in the day when really strong men looked sort of like normal men.

1:22.0

He was the super strong dude and was a martial artist and killed people in the war and then was involved in a couple of murders after the war.

1:33.0

He always got off on self-defense. He started all these restaurants, made a lot of money.

1:39.0

And was sort of a super intense, seemingly troubled but very charismatic guy.

1:49.0

This cult sprung up around him and he there was again sprung. I can't get away from that word.

1:58.0

This cult manifested around him and he went with it and ended up with like this, all these living the life of a guru.

2:10.0

He had the Rolls Royce, he had the 130 followers, he had the rock band, they had the mansion, you know, the whole nine yards and then of course it followed the typical trajectory where he decided that he needed to have 13 wives.

2:27.0

And you know, he got into sex which sort of in these things often leads, you know, opens the door to death and destruction.

2:35.0

Anyway, I won't tell you how it ends but it's a documentary so it ends the way it ended.

2:43.0

But I found the second half of the film to be extremely moving because it left me wondering.

2:56.0

It left me wondering like maybe was this guy actually something beyond a normal human being?

3:02.0

And ironically the thing that triggered that thought for me was that there comes a point in his life, a very pivotal moment in his life where he decides that in fact he's not anything special that he's just a man.

3:20.0

And if you see the film, it's on Netflix, it's called The Source Family.

3:23.0

If you see the film, you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a very pivotal moment and it seems that it's the moment when he would have been most motivated to stick with his story and demand the adulation of his followers.

3:41.0

And in fact what he did was came to the conclusion that he was just a person that they said, all been a mistake.

3:49.0

And in doing that he made me think like fuck maybe this guy really was something special because you know that's sort of the ultimate achievement is that humility.

4:06.0

I've often said on this podcast one of my favorite quotations is to admire those who seek the truth but flee from those who claim to have found it.

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