Hello listeners, I sound like I'm about to start an advert, but I'm not. I'm about to start an actual episode of Homo sapiens.

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Should you be needing a nutritious, delicious, informative, loving conversation with a global superstar, look no further.

Then this week's Homo sapiens, we've got Katie Lang on the show today.

Katie Lang, honestly, was one of the first people I was ever aware of for her queerness.

She is so, and always has been so unafraid to be different, and she represented as a gay woman.

So she was the conduit, the conduit, there we go, using the word conduit here, for so many outdated views about what women should be and how they should appear.

But she was writing this incredible music, like songs like constant craving that have been the soundtrack to so many people's lives.

And she famously, you know, was often linked to Madonna.

It's been really interesting to listen to Katie.

Speak about that whole thing in retrospect, because I think I'm quoting her right in saying that she kind of feels like people tried to make out like they had some form of relationship as a bit of a marketing thing, but actually it wasn't real at all.

But they were both, you know, such massive superstars that it felt logical to link them in some way.

And she's this really humble, thoughtful person who has been through the apex of fame and always made it her business to try and represent and do good for people no matter how successful she got.

But we just had this lovely chat about what it's like to be looking back on kind of an incredible life where you have done many things in some ways first, you know, she was representing for gay women in a visible way, which it still needs so much more visual everyday representation and also talking about we spoke quite a bit about butch and what that means and how that's always underplayed.

But she's done so many iconic things like she did this incredible cover of vanity fair where she was with Cindy Crawford being shaved as if she was like a man in a suit and playing with gender and all of that stuff is something that's kind of baked in from the very beginning because she actually started as a country and western star really a country and western singer because what she wanted to do was to play with all of that kind of imagery of the, you know,

the women in that world all had to look basically like Dolly Parton, big hair, big boobs and she was wearing suits and stuff and she, she really reminds me of Orville Peck who don't know if any of you have heard of Orville Peck.

I hope you have, we need to get Orville Peck on the show although isn't Orville Peck, isn't it like a secret who he they are.

Anyway, leave it with me listeners. Yeah, it's kind of subverting country music and she's always been someone who subverts expectations and that's what makes her someone who I love and she honestly,

when we first ever had a conversation about the people we would like to talk to on this very podcast we did a list we sat down at the kitchen table tapped out a list in Katie Lang was one of the very first people and her wonderful management people have been coercing it into life ever since.

So, at the end of a long, long wait that I cannot tell you it is so worth it. Here you go listeners, here's Katie Lang.

How are you, where are you in the world? I'm in Calgary, Alberta and it is a beautiful day, 21 degrees, light breeze and sunny.

Heaven, well, it's 8am here in Adelaide, bit of cloud. You're quite an Australia fire, aren't you?

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