All right here we go. How are you? Good to see you. Good to see you. How did you

get involved with the Cove? What was the history behind that? I might give you the

long version sure there's a good friend of mine Jim Clark the guy that

started Netscape silicon graphics web MD I wanted a film I was doing a story for

geographic back in 1995. I think it came out.

I was on the information revolution and Jim Clark was sort of the, you know, the Steve Jobs of my generation, right?

And he, he don't want to be photographed, he's just too busy.

And then I started working for Fortune magazine,

and he had built a boat, the world's tallest mast I think at that point, and I went over to Amsterdam to film him.

And we hit it off and he said,

said, would you teach me how to be a good photographer?

And, you know, he made three companies from scratch,

worth over a billion dollars, and I said,

well, if you teach me how to be a billionaire I'll teach you

how to be a great photographer and then we would travel all over the world

taking pictures for about the next 10 years and we did mostly underwater photography. He built the best

underwater camera ever made by an order of magnitude. It was just a piece of

work. As Jim doesn't do anything half-ass. And every time we would go to a dive site and come back to it,

you see this shifting baseline where there's less fish,

there's less coral.

In fact, he took me to the place in Papua New Guinea. He said,

the way I'm going to take it to the best place I've ever seen. It's in Papua New Guinea.

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