Coming up this week on the Thomas Jefferson Hour, we welcome back one of our favorite guests.

Professor Joseph Ellis, I just, I can't get enough of that guy and his insight and his knowledge.

The two of you are a good match, sir.

I'm the Dean Martin, to his Jerry Lewis.

You know, he's so extraordinary, he's colorful, he's funny, he laughs a lot, he doesn't take

any of this too seriously, but he's always filled with insights. I adore him and he's been such a generous friend to come on the Jefferson hour quite frequently

and now he's a regular guest.

Right, and there was one thing that I missed this week and I bet you can guess what it is.

His dog barking on the background. Right, we didn't hear his labra doodles joining the conversation.

The two of you really got in depth on a number of issues who talked a lot about the importance of

presidential leadership and I tried to pull us back out of the 18th century now and

again.

You know, the thing that really impressed me most was, you know, not to give away everything

at the moment, but he's very, very, very hard on Donald Trump as the president at this moment for this crisis and ranks

him about as weak as anyone could possibly be in the face of this moment in American history but you know I don't

think he does it as a partisan I don't think he does it happily I think he as a historian he's

looking at the qualities that you want in a leader in a time of international crisis.

He knows where he speaks. He's a biographer of George Washington. He's a biographer of John Adams.

He knows what there is to know about Thomas Jefferson. He's

written about the war, about those moments when the cause of the American

Independence Movement was nearly snuffed out on Long Island and then at the

northern tip of Manhattan. He's been with George

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