In a time when companies like Amazon and Google and Facebook are piling up mountains of data about us,

the one place left in our digital lives where true privacy can be found exists oddly enough on our smart phones,

which are designed so that when you put that phone on lock, no one can get past its encryption,

not even say Apple with its iPhone or Google with its pixel, which is great, right?

But not if you're in law enforcement, and you've got reason to believe that a bad guy's phone

contains secrets that can solve crimes and stop terrorist attacks. Well, in that case,

should Apple or should Google help the feds bust the encryption? Isn't doing anything you can

to help in such cases every citizen's duty? Isn't it patriotic? Or is the sort of privacy that

encryption represents something sacrosanct and not to mention something fragile? You put a back

door into it, who knows who might come through it later? Well, this all sounds like the makings of

a debate. So let's have it. Yes or no to this statement, tech companies should be required to help

law enforcement execute search warrants to access customer data. That's our debate. We are in San

Francisco at the SF Jazz Center in partnership with the National Constitution Center with four

superbly qualified debaters who will argue for and against the motion. Our debate goes in three

rounds and then the audience here in San Francisco votes to choose the winner and only one side wins.

Let's first meet the first debater arguing for the motion. Please welcome Stuart Baker.

So Stuart, you've served in government in important positions. You were general counsel for the

NSA. You served under President George W. Bush at the Department of Homeland Security. You have

long argued that folks who oppose government access to the kind of data we'll be talking about

tonight under appreciate how access to that data can enhance our security. So where does that

appreciation come from? What do you know that they don't? It's not what I know. It's who I know.

I've seen the people who are at the FBI, at NSA, at DHS who are trying to protect us. They need

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