I'm going to butcher this.

You're basically the secret services most wanted cyber criminal in the history of the United States.

It's my understanding that I was the first, if you want to call it, hacker, but first cybercriminal

that made the United States most wanted list. It's my understanding. At least the Secret Service

most wanted list. Okay. Okay. So how did you get into this world? Especially coming from Alabama,

of all places. Well, I'm from Kentucky. I'm residing in Alabama. Okay. Okay. So how do I get into it?

Man, that's, that's an interesting, that's an interesting discussion there.

What was your childhood?

Yeah, it's the childhood.

And I talk about it extensively on my show and everything else, but my life of crime begins

when I was 10 years old okay my mom

was the fraudster in the family my dad was a captain in the military helicopter pilot in the

army and um mom was mom was just this crazy fuck she was she was I mean, she was, she was, she was, she was,

uh, this is a woman that, um, she would bring men home in front of my dad. All right. She,

she, she cheated religiously on the man, but, uh, I remember times that she would bring men

home in front of him and he would sit

there and cry and she would explain to him how she didn't love him anymore how she was leaving him

how you know she was going to go off with this guy and she was going to take her children with her

and he had begged her not to do it and and he would keep taking her back. You know, and this was this guy, and his problem was, is he loved my mom so much that he was scared of her leaving, so he would put up with it.

I mean, just a good man at heart, you know, and not really the criminal mindset at all for my dad.

He had two instances in his that i know

in his life where he uh he tried to do the criminal thing you know his thing was uh like one of

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