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People I (Mostly) Admire

133. Pay Attention! (Your Body Will Thank You)

People I (Mostly) Admire

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Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Ellen Langer is a psychologist at Harvard who studies the mind-body connection. She’s published some of the most remarkable scientific findings Steve has ever encountered. Can we really improve our physical health by changing our mind?

Transcript

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I cannot think of an academic whose research findings have more consistently

0:09.1

surprise me than my guest today Harvard psychologist Ellen Langer.

0:14.0

She's a scientist, but a result seriously challenge the beliefs of mainstream science.

0:20.0

So I had literally made myself sick.

0:22.9

And that set me off on a career

0:25.3

where if I can literally make myself sick,

0:27.3

maybe I can literally make myself well.

0:31.9

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Leavitt.

0:39.0

I've got a model in my head of how the world works, a broad framework for making sense of the world around me.

0:45.6

I'm sure you've got one too. My model is, I think, pretty typical of someone who puts

0:51.1

faith in modern science, perhaps with a little added cynicism about human

0:55.9

nature.

0:56.9

So when I hear about a new research study, I have a habit of asking myself, given my model

1:02.2

of the world, what results would I expect the study to generate?

1:06.7

Usually I'm pretty good at guessing what the researchers actually find.

1:11.2

But with Ellen Langer, over and over, she gets results that I would never predict.

1:18.0

So here are my questions for you as you listen to this conversation. First, do you find research results as stunning as I do?

1:27.0

The second question I'd like you to think about is, when research findings surprise you,

1:32.0

what's the right reaction?

1:34.0

How do you know whether you should believe surprising results?

1:38.1

I've read the work of many scholars and I can honestly say that you win the prize

1:47.3

for the body of research that most consistently finds results that are completely the opposite of what I would have

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