131: Capt. Matt Leach Vs. John Dillinger Part 2 w/ Ellen Pousen - A True Crime History Podcast

Most Notorious! A True Crime History Podcast

Erik Rivenes

True Crime, History, Education

4.7 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2019

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

My conversation continues with Ellen Poulsen, co-author (with Lori Hyde) of "Chasing Dillinger: Police Captain Matt Leach, J. Edgar Hoover and the Rivalry to Capture Public Enemy No. 1".

In this second part of the interview, Ellen explains the struggles Matt Leach continued to face as he tried to prove East Chicago cops were in on the death of Dillinger, J Edgar Hoover's personal crusade to ruin Leach professionally, and the details of Leach's tragic death. She also talks about her feelings on the "Lady in Red", Anna Sage, Dillinger's position in the Babyface Nelson gang, and her thoughts on the recent attempts to exhume Dillinger's body.

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0:30.0	Hello all, welcome to part 2 of John Dillinger versus Matt Leach.
0:34.0	More of my interview with Ellen Poulson, expert in all things John Dillinger.
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1:17.0	So on to the second part of the interview and just a quick reminder, we had left off with Ellen explaining
1:26.0	the crown point prison fiasco.
1:31.0	So were there interactions at all between John Dillinger and Matt Leach?
1:41.0	Well he supposedly sent a postcard to Leach after the escape.
1:49.0	Like, haha, he is my wooden gun.
1:53.0	It was kind of playing cat and mouse with each other.
1:58.0	The only interaction that Leach ever had with the Dillinger gang face to face was in Tucson.
2:07.0	When they were locked up in the cells in the Pima County jail,
2:13.0	Leach toward the jail and was able to see the captives.
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