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🗓️ 25 January 2021
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The possible existence of technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations — not just alien microbes, but cultures as advanced (or much more) than our own — is one of the most provocative questions in modern science. So provocative that it’s difficult to talk about the idea in a rational, dispassionate way; there are those who loudly insist that the probability of advanced alien cultures existing is essentially one, even without direct evidence, and others are so exhausted by overblown claims in popular media that they want to squelch any such talk. Astronomer Avi Loeb thinks we should be taking this possibility seriously, so much so that he suggested that the recent interstellar interloper `Oumuamua might be a spaceship built by aliens. That got him in a lot of trouble. We talk about the trouble, about `Oumuamua, and the attitude scientists should take toward provocative ideas.
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Abraham (Avi) Loeb received his Ph.D. in plasma physics from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He is currently the Frank B. Baird Jr. professor of science at Harvard University. He served as the Chair of Harvard’s Astronomy department from 2011-2020. He is Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and Founding Director of Harvard’s Black Hole Initiative. He is chair of the Advisory Committee for the Breakthrough Starshot Initiative. His new book is Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth.
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0:00.0 | Hello everyone and welcome to the Minescape Podcast. |
0:03.2 | I'm your host, Sean Carroll. |
0:05.2 | Some of you may remember back in October 2017, astronomers announced they discovered an |
0:10.6 | interstellar interloper in our solar system. |
0:14.4 | There was an object which they dubbed a mu-a-mu-a, which was flying through our solar system. |
0:19.3 | It was much like a comet, but comets come from the outer solar system. |
0:24.1 | They're in orbit around the sun very gently and then something knocks them out of their |
0:27.8 | orbit so they dive in closer to the sun and we can see them. |
0:31.6 | A mu-a-mu-a by contrast was moving so fast that it was clearly not bound to the sun gravitationally. |
0:38.0 | It came from way beyond this solar system and after it zoomed by the sun, it's going to |
0:42.9 | return back to interstellar space. |
0:45.9 | So of course, astronomers are very excited by this. |
0:48.1 | This is the first ever interstellar object in our neighborhood that we could see up close |
0:52.4 | and personally and many of them analyzed it. |
0:55.4 | They wrote papers, one such paper came out a year later by Havi Loeb, who was a professor |
1:01.0 | at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and Schmuel Bialli, who was a postdoc at Harvard |
1:06.3 | also, and it had the dry title of, Could Solar Radiation Pressure Explain a Mu-a-mu-a's |
1:12.2 | peculiar acceleration. |
1:14.3 | They go through and they do calculations and all these things. |
1:17.4 | Near the end of that paper, there's one little paragraph which, offhandedly, they say, |
1:22.3 | You know, it's possible Mu-a-mu-a is not a rock. |
1:26.9 | It's possible that it's not just a naturally occurring object at all, but is in fact constructed |
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