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1305: The abolitionist horizon / Mariame Kaba

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🗓️ 9 March 2021

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Organizer Mariame Kaba on state violence, the possibilities of police and prison abolition, and her book "We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice" from Haymarket Books. https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1664-we-do-this-til-we-free-us

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The Bigger! You're welcome to be on. You're welcome.

0:24.0

Thank you, man.

0:25.0

You're welcome to be on. This is hell.

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is hell.

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manufacturing descent since 1996.

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This is hell.

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The police and policing are not broken if they were broken then that would imply they can

0:56.8

be fixed and the police and policing as we know them today as they exist

1:01.6

right now those processes cannot be fixed. The very premise

1:07.5

of police that they can reduce harm done to the population through their

1:11.6

own application of violence and force is at best flawed and

1:15.6

at its very worst deadly imposing an ominous menace that is constantly watching your

1:21.4

every move with the assumption that you are engaged in some form of criminality,

1:25.6

especially in marginalized communities of people of color, specifically black people.

1:31.2

But if, as our guest today argues, if the police cannot be fixed then what is to be done about those who would do harm to us?

1:40.0

How can we be safe and secure without police?

1:44.0

Well, the first thing you'd have to answer is,

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How safe are we with police?

1:50.0

The institution doesn't really seem to have a very good track record when it comes to stopping or solving crimes.

1:55.0

That's seemingly shoddy record aside without police, there's the assumption there would be chaos with 24-7 looting as there would be a sudden vacuum when it comes to serving and protecting the public.

2:06.2

The problem with that belief is cops spend most of their time doing non-cop things instead of stopping criminals and solving

2:12.2

crimes.

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