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13: High-Stakes Diplomacy: US-Russia Peace Talks and CCP Uncertainty Mary Kissel, Stephens Inc., with John Batchelor Kissel analyzes the proposed Trump-Putin meeting in Budapest, suggesting the postponement indicates the US hasn't gained enough leverage to tr

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 22 October 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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High-Stakes Diplomacy: US-Russia Peace Talks and CCP Uncertainty Mary Kissel, Stephens Inc., with John Batchelor Kissel analyzes the proposed Trump-Putin meeting in Budapest, suggesting the postponement indicates the US hasn't gained enough leverage to truly incentivize Russia. She labels Russian diplomatic language as manipulation and "verbal mush." Kissel also addresses the rolling purges of generals in the CCP during the Fourth Plenum. She cautions that without transparency, it remains unclear whether these actions consolidate or weaken Xi Jinping's grip on power.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Merrick Kistel, Executive Vice President Stevens,

0:08.0

Incorporated, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State. We leave Budapest, Bosco, Washington,

0:15.0

Brussels behind, and we go immediately to Beijing, the fourth plenum of the Chinese Communist Party underway, and big news

0:23.4

or impossible to interpret news. This is fog of communism. Suddenly, seven names are brought

0:30.8

forward as generals who are purged because of corruption suspicion. Suddenly, there's talk in all directions that there's need for new leadership,

0:41.2

that the economy is now grinding to a halt.

0:44.8

The unemployment is so high they won't give us numbers.

0:48.4

And exporting out of our way of this problem is impossible.

0:53.2

It's not going to work. We have a property

0:55.8

crater. We need new leadership. Is the talk? It's talk. It's not real. However, Mary, I need

1:03.0

your help interpreting these events. It appears that Xi Jinping has overstayed his welcome

1:09.8

in the Chinese Communist Party.

1:12.2

I can't tell because he's all powerful, but these generals were his appointments.

1:17.5

This has been going on for some time.

1:19.2

In addition, there's another general named in many of the rumors named Zhang, who's the top military commander,

1:30.4

and he is said to be the driver for making changes. It's not a coup, but Mr. Xi is welcome to step towards retirement in the indefinite future.

1:40.5

Does that sound sensible, Mary, or is this Hollywood talking for the rumor mail?

1:47.3

John, as we've said many times on the show, it's impossible to say because we don't have the

1:52.8

normal sets of information that one has in a democracy. We could indeed wake up tomorrow and

1:59.6

Xi Jinping could be deposed. We could also wake up tomorrow and Xi Jinping could be deposed. We could also wake up

2:02.8

tomorrow and see his power consolidated. He has been absolutely ruthless since he took power more

2:09.4

than a decade ago in taking out not just his political opponents, but people who he feared were

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