Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Al Franken podcast. We have Andy Slavitt again, our first

return guest, and he's going to be talking about the Democratic candidates' health care plans

and really how both he and I think that we should do a little bit more

to emphasize Trump's horrible record on health care. But we'll get to that in a moment.

We recorded this on Sunday before the shootings in El Paso and Dayton.

And we've all seen a lot of these.

I was in the Senate after Sandy Hook, and I remember those votes going down that we did not I couldn't believe it I thought

was a 25 year old kids how and I just I remember coming to the floor I had signed on to the assault weapons band

right away and ran into Ted Cruz.

And Cruz said to me, anybody for the assault weapons band is engaged in sophistry. Now, sophistry is kind of an

SAT word, I guess, but it's also a lawyer word. And it means like a phony kind of debate. So I guess

it's a debate. It's an argument that's meant to mislead people, dishonest argument.

So I said, how am I engaged in sophistry?

And he said, well, the Clinton administration's own Justice Department put out a report

in 1996, two years after the assault weapons ban of 94 was passed, and

said it didn't work.

And I said, no, it didn't.

Actually, it said it reduced murders with assault weapons by about 6%, but there wasn't enough data to

say that that was significant.

So they said, they didn't say it didn't work.

They said they can't conclude from this lesson to your study that it does work.

He said, you just read the report.

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