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Mormon Stories Podcast

1290: Surviving Spiritual Abuse and Suicidality at BYU-Idaho Faculty - Ryan & Holly Nielsen Pt. 4

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.55.7K Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2020

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

For today’s Mormon Stories Podcast episode we interview Ryan Nielsen and Holly Parson Nielsen, who were both raised as devout Mormons in Rexburg, Idaho. After marriage, Ryan worked as full-time BYU-Idaho faculty for twelve years in the Department of Music, while Holly taught middle school art.

Important themes for this episode include:

  • Ryan's perfectionism and guilt/shame as a Mormon youth.
  • Holly's closeted feminism as a Mormon youth and adult.
  • Holly and Ryan learning to listen to their own inner voices, which also involved navigating a religious faith crisis.
  • Navigating BYU-Idaho while one is full time faculty, and in a mixed-faith marriage. This story includes harassment from bishopric over maintaining continuing faculty endorsement (mostly related to Holly’s resignation from the Mormon church.
  • An insider’s view of BYU-Idaho administration, including difficulties dealing with BYU-Idaho executives related to Title IX issues (e.g., sexual misconduct of Mormon ecclesiastical leaders towards BYU-Idaho students and faculty).
  • Navigating and healing from religion-based depression, including suicidality.
  • Deconstructing Mormon literalism and reconstructing a nuanced worldview.
  • Learning to choose love over ideas.
Additional Resources mentioned in the episodes:
  • Ryan's AMAZING faith crisis/transition Reading/Podcast list can be found here, and has also been included below, after the video and audio links.  This is probably the most impressive and thoughtful resources list I've ever seen for Mormon/religious faith transitions.
  • Holly's Art: https://www.artbyholly.com/abstract.html  -- This link goes straight to the art Holly has done related to her faith transition, and her reclamation of motherhood.
  • Ryan's Music: http://www.ryannielsenmusic.com/music -- This link goes straight to the music portion of Ryan's website. Several pieces there are related to my faith transition, including "Prayer for Peace" and "Requiem."
  • Support Ryan!  Ryan has written a 9 movement suite that explores his experience of a faith crisis, through the lens of the life of Elijah Abel.  It's time to get this recorded. Ryan has created a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds for the project.  Please support this worthy project!

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0:08.1

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0:12.4

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0:13.9

Yes, and so then, yes, I don't know if you didn't talk about just the two experiences

0:21.2

that our oldest son had with primary, I don't know if you wanted to share those.

0:25.0

Do you actually, because one of them, you were with him, and the other one.

0:30.4

So one, he came home and so he is seven years old.

0:35.7

You're six, right?

0:37.9

Six, okay.

0:38.9

That's fine.

0:39.9

And he said something within primary, something about the devil brings bad thoughts, the devil,

0:49.5

you have to be baptized.

0:50.8

And I was prepped for them to be baptized in primary school.

0:56.7

But he kind of had a meltdown and was terrified that that Satan was taking over him and that

1:03.1

he needed to be baptized then.

1:05.2

And I was really shocked that this little six-year-old was responding in that way.

1:11.8

And I thought, this is not okay, that this little kid is experiencing this kind of terror.

1:18.3

And this is 100% directly coming from primary and a little kid should feel safe, and especially

1:27.0

in religion that is good news.

1:31.4

So that bothered me and then the experience, the other one that you were with him.

1:36.2

Oh, there was a primary sharing time while we were in Boston where they...

1:40.0

It was just junior primary.

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