Before we go, like into your history, basically, what you're doing, basically what your story, why you went to, why you got in trouble?

Why did you go to prison?

Uh, it was a federal indictment for conspiracy to counterfeit U.S. obligations.

Okay. So you were manufacturing money? Yes. Selling them, passing them myself.

And yeah, manufacturing. Wow. And how much, how much money did you create and how did you, how did you go about, how did you just get into this? How did you get into making and manufacturing your own, your own money? Are you making $100 bills? Yeah, I mean, I did 20s and 50s, but, you know, it comes to a point to where every $20 bill is pointless when you could do $100.

You know what I mean?

It's just maximize the profit.

And, you know, basically I read when I was like 19, I saw this book with The Art of Making Money.

It's about a counterfeiter up in Chicago, Art Williams.

And, you know, I read that and it just kind of like get a little bit closer to the

mike me basically uh you know the the best way to make money as far as i was concerned was making

money you know so i just studied you know read as many things as i could i read that book which

kind of inspired me to try it, you know.

And I took a cut, like one or two of the methods that he used, which was good methods, but I tweaked them. And so basically he was using like two pieces of paper and gluing them together

to embed a strip and a watermark.

So I went that route. That's obviously the best way to do it.

There's a lot of people that like will take $5 bills and bleach them and print hundreds on them,

but then the strip still says USA5 and it's a different watermark and all that so um but I wanted

to make them from scratch so basically I started doing it a little bit when I was a 19 or 20 I made made

some money and then just stopped you know I didn't want to get caught it was just a quick thing

um so back when i

moved or when i moved to knoxville and kind of got myself in a desperate financial situation

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