129. An Impactful Career in Cold Cases with Paul Holes

Here's Where It Gets Interesting

Sharon McMahon

Government, History, Storytelling, Education

4.9 • 15.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2022

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Content Warning: This episode contains subject matter that is not suitable for children.

In this episode, Sharon has a conversation with retired cold case investigator, Paul Holes, about the mental and emotional impact of working in a field of violent crime. Paul recounts some of his most memorable cases and why he chose to pursue a career in cold cases. We also get to hear about Paul’s friendship with the late Michelle McNamara, author of I’ll Be Gone in the Dark, and the investigation of the Golden State Killer. After 24 years, the killer, Joseph DeAngelo, was brought to justice thanks to Paul’s work with a small team that began to link suspect DNA through genealogy. In his retirement, Paul often does consulting work, and he co-hosts The Murder Squad podcast with journalist Billy Jensen.

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0:00.0	Hello friends, welcome. I was delighted to have you with me and I want to give you a little content warning right at the top
0:07.0	Today's topic deals with true crime
0:10.5	So it is not going to be appropriate for young children. So we have little kids
0:16.0	Listen to this without them because it is a very fascinating conversation with
0:21.3	Cold-case investigator Paul Holes and if you are already a true crime fanatic
0:27.0	You might be familiar with him. You might be familiar with this podcast murder squad. He's a new book out called
0:33.0	Unmasked and he is talking a lot about his work as a criminalist and a lot about his work
0:41.0	Identifying the golden state killer. So let's start in I'm Sharon McMan and welcome to the Sharon Sesso podcast
0:51.3	Thank you so much for doing this Paul
0:53.2	I know so many people who listen to this podcast. They are fascinated by true crime and
1:00.0	You are one of the people that many people are like you need to speak to Paul. So thanks for doing this
1:05.2	It's my pleasure. It's nice to meet you finally Sharon
1:08.2	So give us a tiny bio
1:10.4	I know it's always weird to talk about yourself
1:14.1	excessively, but just give us some context about your career your
1:19.7	Relationship to true crime and how you got to do what you spent most of your adult life pursuing
1:26.9	Sure, you know, I'm a little bit unusual. I ended up getting into
1:32.7	My career because of a TV show back in the day called Quincy
1:36.8	He was a forensic pathologist and that was like oh, I'm fascinated and that's what I want to do
1:41.8	And so I thought I was going to go to medical school
1:43.9	So after I graduated high school
1:46.0	I went to UC Davis and I was in their pre-med program and got a degree my BS in biochemistry and I ran across a
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