1289: Surviving Spiritual Abuse and Suicidality at BYU-Idaho Faculty - Ryan & Holly Nielsen Pt. 3
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.5 • 5.7K Ratings
🗓️ 6 April 2020
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
For today’s Mormon Stories Podcast episode we interview Ryan Nielsen and Holly Parson Nielsen, who were both raised as devout Mormons in Rexburg, Idaho. After marriage, Ryan worked as full-time BYU-Idaho faculty for twelve years in the Department of Music, while Holly taught middle school art.
Important themes for this episode include:
- Ryan's perfectionism and guilt/shame as a Mormon youth.
- Holly's closeted feminism as a Mormon youth and adult.
- Holly and Ryan learning to listen to their own inner voices, which also involved navigating a religious faith crisis.
- Navigating BYU-Idaho while one is full time faculty, and in a mixed-faith marriage. This story includes harassment from bishopric over maintaining continuing faculty endorsement (mostly related to Holly’s resignation from the Mormon church.
- An insider’s view of BYU-Idaho administration, including difficulties dealing with BYU-Idaho executives related to Title IX issues (e.g., sexual misconduct of Mormon ecclesiastical leaders towards BYU-Idaho students and faculty).
- Navigating and healing from religion-based depression, including suicidality.
- Deconstructing Mormon literalism and reconstructing a nuanced worldview.
- Learning to choose love over ideas.
- Ryan's AMAZING faith crisis/transition Reading/Podcast list can be found here, and has also been included below, after the video and audio links. This is probably the most impressive and thoughtful resources list I've ever seen for Mormon/religious faith transitions.
- Holly's Art: https://www.artbyholly.com/abstract.html -- This link goes straight to the art Holly has done related to her faith transition, and her reclamation of motherhood.
- Ryan's Music: http://www.ryannielsenmusic.com/music -- This link goes straight to the music portion of Ryan's website. Several pieces there are related to my faith transition, including "Prayer for Peace" and "Requiem."
- Support Ryan! Ryan has written a 9 movement suite that explores his experience of a faith crisis, through the lens of the life of Elijah Abel. It's time to get this recorded. Ryan has created a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds for the project. Please support this worthy project!
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| 0:00.0 | Thank you for joining us today on Mormon Stories Podcast. |
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| 0:12.4 | at MormonStories.org. |
| 0:13.6 | Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories Podcast. |
| 0:18.5 | I'm your host John DeLin. |
| 0:19.5 | It is March 18th, 2020. |
| 0:22.5 | We have an earthquake in Salt Lake City this morning. |
| 0:26.0 | The trumpet fell out of Angel Moroni's hands. |
| 0:30.6 | We have an angel, an mascot Angel Moroni behind us to commemorate what a crazy day. |
| 0:36.2 | We are still in the midst of the coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic lockdown and we are in the |
| 0:42.6 | middle of what I think is an epic interview, a really fascinating and interesting and |
| 0:49.5 | compelling interview. |
| 0:51.8 | Today we are interviewing Ryan and Holly Neilsen. |
| 0:57.1 | For those of you who tune in to our previous episodes that were recorded yesterday, Ryan |
| 1:03.6 | talked to us about growing up in Rexburg, Idaho, where his father was on the music faculty |
| 1:10.5 | at BYU Idaho. |
| 1:14.2 | He talked about somewhat scrupulous childhood. |
| 1:18.4 | A lot of perfectionism, a lot of guilt and shame, but also a lot of excellence. |
| 1:23.0 | He ended up majoring in music and going on a mission, marrying Holly and returning triumphantly |
| 1:33.8 | with some limited drama to BYU Idaho, where he became a faculty as well in the music department. |
| 1:44.3 | We talked about how Ryan always felt this brooding doubt or questioning some darkness, |
| 1:52.4 | some depression, including and augmenting during a time where Ryan and Holly moved to Cambridge |
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