So hello everybody. I'm sitting here with Christian Roy. For those who follow the channel, you have probably

seen my past interviews with him on Jacques Eululul and some McLuhan as well, and the question of

technicity, the problem of technology. And so he has recently written an article on Marshall McLuhan

and his relationship differences to orthodoxy, on Marshall McLuhan and his relationship differences to

orthodoxy, because Marshall McLuhan was a Catholic, looking at the places of contact with

orthodoxy, but also the differences and also the possibility within McLuhan of understanding

how his ideas connect to symbolic world and to symbolic vision.

And so I really thought it would be a great opportunity to explore a little more

Marshall McLuhan's work, see how it connects to symbolism, and also see how he was able to

perceive some of the things that we are seeing happen around us in terms of technology,

in terms of social

transformation.

And so I'm really looking forward to this conversation.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So Kissela, maybe you can tell us a little bit about your experience with McLuhan.

I know the text that you wrote for us was already presented at a conference beforehand.

Yeah, it was at the MacLewan Faith and Works conference in 20peg, St. Paul University in 2015, centered on the religious dimension of McClune's thought and activity, which has often been overlooked, but which has surfaced more into the discussion since the publication of this book by his son, Eric, who the medium and the light reflections on religion, which is a collection of some of McLuhan's articles and letters pertaining to religion.

It appeared in 1999, I believe.

And actually, I won't dwell on it because James Cortides already has in his introduction

to his own reading of my recent article on McLuhan for the blog.

So my, it was, I guess, among my first direct engagements with McLuhan, which has informed my

thought for maybe decades, probably since the 1980s, my thought on technique.

But so I'm a bit of a dabbler in his talk, but it's so nourishing that even is concentrating on a couple of articles like we're going to do it.

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