Very strange.

Five, four, we'll talk about it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, and we're live.

Hello. Hey Joe.

Welcome, thank you.

It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. Sam Harris sends his regards. Yeah, Sam's a beautiful man. He is. I love that guy. And he's one of the reasons why you're here. So universal basic income, this is what this is all about.

Yes, yeah, that's what my campaign for president is all about.

That's an interesting like focus of a campaign and very unusual and I mean four years ago

you'd never even thought that that would have a chance at all but this is a subject

that has been gaining momentum and it made a big shift

because I had my friend Eddie Wong on once and he was the first person to bring it up and

my initial knee-jerk reaction was get the

fuck out here like universal basic income just gonna give people money they're just gonna be

lazy nothing's ever gonna get done that's a terrible idea and then I started

paying attention to the rise of AI and automation and how many jobs are going to get taken away from and then once you see the actual numbers, it's pretty staggering.

Yeah, and that's how I got there, Joe.

Like I spent the last seven years running an organization that I had started called Venture for America.

And we helped create about 3,000 jobs in Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Birmingham, New Orleans, other cities around the country.

And I saw that we're pouring water into a bathtub that has a giant hole ripped in the bottom.

And that for every 5, 10 ten fifty jobs that my entrepreneurs are going to create

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