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1241: Did Pope Leo just correct the Pachamama Scandal?

Dr Taylor Marshall Podcast

Dr. Taylor Marshall

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.74K Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Pope Leo XIV sent an instruction to CEAMA (Conference of Bishops of the Amazon Region) warning them against the worship of creation or Mother Earth, stating that Catholics must not “subject themselves as a slave or worshiper of nature.” Is this correction in response to the scandal of Pachamama worship observed at the 2019 Amazon Synod? Dr. Taylor Marshall comments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Did Pope Leo the 14th just correct the Pachamama scandal?

0:09.1

Seems like he's addressing it and he's getting involved because he just sent a memo, a telegram, to SEMA. Now, what is SEMA? Seema is the Conference of Bishops for the Amazon

0:26.2

region. It was created by Pope Francis in 2021, and they have their own Amazonian right for the

0:36.2

liturgy. They're talking about bringing in

0:38.4

indigenous elements into this new right of the liturgy, Amazonian right. There's also, this is

0:45.4

kind of ground zero where you see all the fuss about we need women deacons. There's not enough

0:51.8

indigenous priests. We need women deacons and we need married priests. And we already have a

0:58.6

Cardinal in Brazil, Cardinal Steiner. I just read, he's laying hands on women. He's not saying,

1:06.1

I'm not ordaining them, but I have women coming forward. I'm laying hands on them because I want the women to

1:12.3

baptize, to perform baptisms. And so I need to lay hands on them and commission them so that these

1:19.5

women can go baptize people in the Amazonian region. So this really is ground zero. And this was part of

1:26.9

the construct of Pope Francis and the

1:32.5

St. Gallen Mafia. How can we move the Overton window on women's ordination, married priest,

1:41.2

indigenous liturgy that incorporates what some people would consider to be pagan elements.

1:48.0

And then also we have the scandal from the Pachamamas. And we're going to talk about that, revisit

1:54.6

that today, because there's been a lot of controversy discussion over the years of what are Pachamamas?

2:02.2

Are they Pachamamas?

2:04.0

Were they being worshipped?

2:06.4

And the controversy of them being thrown in the river, which I was involved in, as you probably know by now.

2:13.6

Yeah, that's today's show.

2:14.7

And I want to begin with the quote that just came out by Pope Leo

2:20.2

the 14th. He sent this message to the bishops of this region. And there's nothing that

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