The following is a conversation with Stephen Wolfram, his second time in the podcast.

He is a computer scientist, mathematician, theoretical physicist, and the founder and CEO of Wolfram Research.

A company behind Mathematica, Wolfram Alpha, Wolfram Language, and the new Wolfram Physics project.

He is the author of several books including a new kind of science, and the new book,

a project to find the fundamental theory of physics.

The second round of our conversation is primarily focused on this latter endeavor,

of searching for the physics of our universe in simple rules that do their work on hypergraphs,

and eventually generate the infrastructure from which space, time, and all of modern physics can emerge.

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As a side note, let me say that to me, the idea that seemingly infinite complexity can arise

from very simple rules and initial conditions is one of the most beautiful and important mathematical

and philosophical mysteries in science. I find that both cellular automata and the hypergraph

data structure that Stephen and Tim are currently working on to be the kind of simple,

clear mathematical playground within which fundamental ideas about intelligence,

consciousness, and the fundamental laws of physics can be further developed in totally new ways.

In fact, I think I'll try to make a video or two about the most beautiful aspects of these models

in the coming weeks, especially I think trying to describe how fellow curious minds like myself can

jump in and explore them either just for fun or potentially for publication of new innovative

research and math, computer science, and physics. But honestly, I think the emerging complexity

in these hypergraphs can capture the imagination of everyone, even if you're someone who never really

connected with mathematics. That's my hope at least, to have these conversations that inspire

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