Hello, hello.

I am Cortland Allen from NDHackers.com, and you're listening to the IndieHackers podcast.

On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses, and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes.

How did they get to where they are today?

How do they make decisions, both of their companies and in their personal lives? And what exactly makes their businesses tick? And the goal here, as always, is so that the rest of us can learn from their example and go on to build our own profitable internet businesses. Today I'm talking to Mubbashar Iqbal. Mubbs, welcome back to the Indieckers podcast. Oh, thanks for having me on. I looked it up. It's been two years since the last time you're on the podcast. How crazy is that? Wow, it feels like it was, actually it feels like it was longer than that, because I think the Indie Hacker's spaces evolved so fast. I know, it's really blown up since then. That was like August 2017.

Here you are in 2019.

It feels like a whole new decade.

Not there yet, though.

Yeah, it's awesome though, because it does mean that a lot more people are interested in being

indie hackers and a lot of people are interested in hootrapping their startups and stuff

like that too instead of all chasing the venture capital

investment instead. So I think that's really awesome. Yeah, exactly. So the last time we talked,

I described you as more of a maker than an endie hacker. You were all about the different projects

that you're working on. You were sort of jump different project to project. You didn't really care

about generating revenue. Is that still the case for you today? I'd say it's still about 50% that, right?

Like, I'm still, I still want to do cool stuff. I still want to make cool stuff. And, you know,

it's still not 100% like I got to make money from it, but I do see myself now when when I

evaluate whether I want to work on something, think about like, well, actually, can this

actually make money? Do I want this to make money? And even if it's not money per se, it's what's

the reward, right? Whether it's, whether it's, you know, some way to feed my network or some way to kind of feed myself somehow, it's, yeah, I do think about that a little bit more. Yeah, because in the past it was just like building the thing was its own reward. You're just excited to like make it. And now that's not enough. You need some other benefit. Now that I've, it's what I was talking to somebody else recently and we were talking about my side presence. Now that I've, it's fun, I was talking to somebody else recently and we were talking about my side

project.

Now that I've got 80 side projects under my belt.

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