We go behind the awards podium where the NCAA official looks at both Thomas and myself.

Of course, Thomas towering over me and he says, you know, great job you two, but you tied.

We only have one trophy.

We're going to give the trophy to Leah.

12-time All-American swimmer, Riley Gaines,

talking about her presentation at the 2024 issues,

et cetera, making the case conference.

And when I asked the dreaded question of why, you know, why are you adamant on giving the trophy to the man and the women's 200 free even though we went the exact same time.

I actually appreciate their honesty because he looked at me and he said,

well, I'm sorry, Riley, but we have been advised

as an organization that when photos are being taken it's crucial that the

trophies in Leah's hands. You can meet and hear Riley Gaines making the case

against men competing in women's sports at this year's Making the Case

Conference Friday, July 12th and Saturday, July 13th, at

Concordia University Chicago.

Learn more at issue ZTC.org. dot org. When I was young and going to school I never would have dreamed that the subject of civics, American civics, would become so important.

Well, we're discovering why it's important because our public schools simply haven't been teaching it and if they have been teaching it it's been in a form

That is designed to produce political activists rather than good citizens

Welcome back to issues, etc.

I'm Todd Wilkin.

Joining us to talk about a new study that shows that private schools are more effective

at teaching political tolerance and knowledge than public schools.

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