Welcome to the Diet Doctor Podcast with Dr. Brett Schur. Today it's my pleasure to be joined by Dr. David

Ludwig. Now, Dr. Ludwig is a pediatric endocrinologist at Boston Children's Hospital with

affiliations at Harvard, and he's the director of the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention

Center. He's also the author of Always Hungry.

And Dr. Ludwig has great experience both as a clinician, taking care of children and

seeing the epidemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes affecting children.

And also, he's very involved in research and sort of helping us understand the problems

and complexity of nutritional research and helping change the paradigm of how we can fund

and design nutritional research studies to make them more worthwhile.

So we're not relying on poor epidemiologic studies and and we're not relying on industry-funded studies as well,

but trying to bridge that gap of industry in the sense of food production,

but not biased industry with a stake in the outcome,

combining with research to really help us answer this question,

the questions of is a calorie a calorie, or the carbohydrate insulin model,

how does that affect us as individuals in the free living world,

and how does that affect our health,

and ultimately, how can that affect our policy

to help us stem this epidemic of diabetes, obesity, chronic health disease, and help us

reverse that course.

Now, David, he is a source of reason.

And in today's society with so much polarity, with science being more like religion, with

people so steeped in their own beliefs that they're not willing

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