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Counselling Tutor

119 – Counselling Children of Narcissistic Parents

Counselling Tutor

Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes

Education, Courses

4.6636 Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2019

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Feeling Frightened by a Client - Humanistic Love in the Therapy Room In episode 119 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast - the last of this season - Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes talk about counselling children of narcissistic parents. In 'Practice Matters', Rory explores what to do when you find a client frightening. Finally, the presenters look at humanistic love in the counselling room. Counselling Children of Narcissistic Parents (starts at 1.30 mins) Growing up with a narcissistic parent is very challenging for a child, who is likely to feel vulnerable and unloved, trying desperately to please the parent but to no avail. On top of all this, children often learn their attachment style from their parents. These experiences can lead to the child becoming an adult who - feeling unlovable and isolated - either shuts off from others or goes to the other extreme and is desperate for love (perhaps getting involved in inappropriate sexual relationships in a bid to find this). When counselling children of narcissistic parents, counsellors have much of value to offer these clients, through providing the core conditions. However, receiving these may well be so alien to the client that it feels scary to them. It can be really difficult for such clients to accept help from others. It is therefore very important, when counselling children of narcissistic parents, to be there for the client but on their terms, treading slowly and carefully in how you relate to them, within their frame of reference. This type of work requires much patience, and is likely to be long-term. It involves helping the client - who is likely to have very low self-worth - to find and nurture their real self. Feeling Frightened by a Client (starts at 8.45 mins) Sometimes, you may find yourself feeling frightened by a client even though they have not shown any aggression. Rory talks about how to work with this, separating out any real risk from feelings that relate to your own process (e.g. fear based on countertransference). Rory's handout on this topic can be downloaded here; it is also available through the Counselling Study Resource (CSR). Humanistic Love in the Therapy Room (starts at 20.15 mins) Rory talks about a book by psychoanalyst Erich Fromm, The Art of Loving (HarperCollins, 1995), which describes the different types of love, each of which has its own nuances: romantic love parental love sibling love erotic love self-love divine love Humanistic love is what we show the client in the therapy room: not all counsellors manage to do so, but even the best counselling skills in the world are incomplete without this vital ingredient. To experience humanistic love towards clients, it's important to see them as equal individuals - as fellow travellers in the world. Truly experiencing the core conditions - in particular, deep empathy and unconditional positive regard - is key here. Humanistic love is one aspect of the counsellor-client relationship that clearly separates it from the professional clinical relationship often offered in healthcare. Ken and Rory feel this is best described as 'spiritual' - not in the sense of religion, but referring to the meeting of our real selves. Philosopher Martin Buber referred to this type of relationship as 'I-Thou' and contrasted it with 'I-It' relationships, in which the other person is viewed more as an object than as a fellow human being.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tutor podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

0:10.6

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:16.0

Hello, I'm Rory and with me as always is Ken. How are you doing, Ken?

0:20.4

Bittersweet day for me, Rory, as it is the last in our season, well, season six of the counselling chuteau podcast. But don't worry, we will be back after the academic break if you're listening in real time. And we have got such a wonderful episode for you today. So episode 119, what can you expect? We're going to start off by speaking with

0:39.8

working with a client who has a parent who has narcissistic tendency. So interesting topic there.

0:46.9

Going into practice matters with Rory, today Rory, you're going to be speaking about clients that

0:52.7

frighten you. That's an interesting area.

0:55.7

Yeah, absolutely. It's something that came up recently for someone I was speaking to,

1:00.9

and they were saying they were frightened by this client. The client wasn't aggressive or, you know,

1:07.6

outwardly frightening. But they felt frightened of them, and it does come up from time to time,

1:12.2

and I'm going to be speaking about, you know, what you might want to consider,

1:15.8

and how you may want to work with that as an outcome of therapy.

1:20.8

Like it, and we're going to be ending episode 119 with a loving topic.

1:25.9

We're going to be speaking about humanistic love in the therapy room. But let's

1:30.6

start off with that. Clients with a narcissistic parent. Yes. I mean, through the years, I've met many,

1:38.3

many clients whose parents have been so kind of self-involved with themselves and just not connecting at all with the child.

1:47.5

The clients feel really vulnerable and unloved and also spend a lot of time trying to please the parent to no avail at all.

1:59.9

Because, you know, people who are narcissists tend to be very,

2:03.7

very self-involved.

2:05.4

You tend to be, you know, in love with themselves, which is where the term came from.

2:11.1

And it can be very, very difficult, certainly for clients who've been in clients' childhoods,

2:19.7

where they've not been loved, they've not been cherished um you know i i hear through the years of children never been hugged or never been

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