We go behind the awards podium where the NCAA official looks at both Thomas and myself.

Of course, Thomas towering over me and he says, you know, great job you two, but you tied.

We only have one trophy.

We're gonna give the trophy to Leah.

12-time All-American swimmer, Riley Gaines,

talking about her presentation at the 2024 issues,

et cetera, making the case conference.

And when I asked the dreaded question of why, you know, why are you adamant on giving the trophy to the man and the women's 200 free even though we went the exact same time.

I actually appreciate their honesty because he looked at me and he said,

well, I'm sorry, Riley, but we have been advised

as an organization that when photos are being taken it's crucial that the

trophies in Leah's hands. You can meet and hear Riley Gaines making the case

against men competing in women's sports at this year's Making the Case

Conference Friday, July 12th and Saturday,

July 13th at Concordia University Chicago.

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marriage many of us knew that something else was coming just around the corner but

it was difficult to anticipate except for those who may have been planning this already,

to anticipate that it would be men competing against women in women's sports, men who think that they're

women, and the sporting community just going right along humoring them all along and here it is less than 10 years later after Obergefell and that was what was next

Welcome back to issues etc. I'm Todd Wilkin. Joining us to talk about

the Biden administration's Title IX ruling allowing men to compete in women's

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