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People I (Mostly) Admire

116. Abraham Verghese Thinks Medicine Can Do Better

People I (Mostly) Admire

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4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Abraham Verghese is a physician and a best-selling author — in that order, he says. He explains the difference between curing and healing, and tells Steve why doctors should spend more time with patients and less with electronic health records.

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0:30.3

Thanks so much.

0:33.6

A guest today, Abraham Verghese, is a professor of medicine at Stanford University. But as you're

0:38.5

here today, he's also so much more. He's been a leading voice in the medical profession,

0:43.2

calling for a greater focus on bedside manner and attention to patient's emotional needs.

0:48.7

Most physicians, I know, share these same sentiments, but we are trapped. We are actually

0:53.8

prisoners in what has become the health care business.

1:00.0

Welcome to People I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

1:05.8

Well, that's his day job. He also writes novels, blockbuster award-winning bestsellers,

1:11.8

like Cutting for Stone, and more recently, The Covenant of Water. How in the world

1:17.3

can one person do all that? Yet, Abraham's own story is as compelling as the ones he writes.

1:23.1

He was born and raised in Ethiopia. His life thrown into chaos from the Ethiopian Civil War

1:27.7

broke out in the 1970s.

1:34.6

So, Abraham, you've built a remarkable life for yourself. You're both a superstar physician

1:39.8

at Stanford University and a bestselling novelist. But I'm personally so curious to hear about your

1:46.4

early life. You grew up in Ethiopia. You were born to Indian parents who were Christian.

1:52.0

Before I read your books, I didn't even realize there was a long Christian tradition in India.

1:57.8

Could you talk about that? Sure. My parents come from a small by Indian standards Christian

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