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Paranormal Mysteries

115: The Roswell Interviews - Part 4

Paranormal Mysteries

Nic Ryan

Natural Sciences, Society & Culture, Science

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 27 December 2020

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Episode 115 of the Paranormal Mysteries Podcast:

In July 1947, a rancher named “Mac” Brazel found wreckage on his sizable property in Lincoln County. Several “flying disc” and “flying saucer” stories had already appeared in the national press that summer, leading Brazel to believe the wreckage, which included rubber strips, tinfoil, and thick paper, might be something of that ilk. He brought some of the material to Sheriff George Wilcox of Roswell, who in turn brought it to the attention of Colonel William Blanchard, the commanding officer of the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF).

The next day, the RAAF released a statement, writing that, “The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County.” According to that statement, Major Jesse Marcel, an intelligence officer, oversaw the RAAF’s investigation of the crash site and the recovered materials.

The following day, the Roswell Daily Record ran a story about the crash and the RAAF’s astonishing claim. But U.S. Army officials quickly reversed themselves on the “flying saucer” claim, stating that the found debris was actually from a weather balloon, releasing photographs of Major Marcel posing with pieces of the supposed weather balloon debris as proof.

For decades, many UFO researchers were skeptical of the government’s changed account, and in 1994, the U.S. Air Force released a report in which they conceded that the “weather balloon” story had been bogus. According to the 1994 explanation, the wreckage came from a spy device created for an until-then classified project called Project Mogul. The device, a connected string of high-altitude balloons equipped with microphones, was designed to float furtively over the USSR, detecting sound waves at a stealth distance.

These balloons would ostensibly monitor the Soviet government’s attempts at testing their own atomic bomb. Because Project Mogul was a covert operation, the new report claimed, a false explanation of the crash was necessary to prevent giving away details of their spy work.

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Transcript

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This is what I would like to show you. In here this is the photograph of the

0:17.8

debris that was seen in General Ramey's office at Carswell Air Force Base in

0:22.0

Fort Worth, Texas.

0:23.6

This is my father holding up what is very obviously

0:27.0

parts of radar target with balloon debris.

0:30.6

In here you see balswood fragments, you have actually parts of the balloon envelope in of itself,

0:37.0

and you have what looks like paper back metal foil.

0:40.0

And to emphasize this, this is not what was seen on the floor of our kitchen that

0:47.2

evening or that late early morning hours in 1947. This is totally different.

0:58.0

He had been the commander here in 1947. And I was at a table with the general and several other locals when they were interrogating him

1:05.2

about the 1947 incident.

1:08.2

And he declined to answer any of the questions except he did comment that it was the

1:15.5

damned thing he'd ever seen. He never would discuss it but several several

1:22.0

months later one night I badgered him again as I like to do and he said,

1:27.7

well, and he paused.

1:30.0

He said, I'll tell you this, and I'm paraphrasing him because I don't remember exactly how he said it,

1:36.0

but in essence he said, what I saw I've never seen before.

1:41.0

It took me a while to realize that there's something strange about it.

1:45.0

But the more I saw the fragments, the more I realized that it wasn't anything that I was acquainted with.

1:52.0

I proved that I tried to burn it. It wouldn't burn.

1:55.0

I tried to break it. It would not break.

1:58.0

Even if it was similar of hours. I'm sure there would be no reason to keep it under cover that long.

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