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The Matt Walker Podcast

#115 - Sleep Deprivation for Depression

The Matt Walker Podcast

Dr. Matt Walker

Medicine, Science, Social Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.8995 Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

The counterintuitive use of sleep deprivation as a rapid treatment for major depression finds itself squarely in Matt’s spotlight today. He begins by discussing its origins in the 1970s, where one night of wakefulness induced temporary remission in 40-60% of patients, and goes on to note that this effect is fragile, with an 83% relapse rate after recovery sleep, pointing to a paradox where sleep itself may be depressogenic for some. Matt reviews the neuroscientific explanations, including the...

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0:00.0

Hi there, it's Matt here and welcome back to the podcast. Today we're going to dive into a

0:08.6

corner of medical science that on its surface feels deeply counterintuitive, almost like a medical

0:15.8

hoax. It's the story of sleep, or rather the deliberate lack of it, as a potential antidote for

0:23.6

one of humanity's most pervasive afflictions.

0:27.2

Depression.

0:28.7

What if I told you that one way to mend a broken mind was to keep it awake?

0:33.8

You'd probably look at me sideways.

0:36.0

I've spoken at length on the virtues of a good night's rest for mental health.

0:41.0

Yet, for over four decades, a small dedicated band of researchers and clinicians has been poking at this paradox.

0:49.6

What if, for some, sleeplessness is a path to breaking free from serious depression, at least

0:57.0

for a very brief moment.

0:59.2

It began, as these things often do, with observations.

1:03.4

The kind that make you scratch your head and ask, is that really happening?

1:08.6

Back in the early 1970s, German psychiatrists stumbled upon something remarkable.

1:14.3

They found that keeping depressed patients awake for just one night, a process they called

1:21.4

induced wakefulness therapy, could produce a startling effect. Temporary remission in a staggering 40 to 60% of patients

1:32.1

with major depression, often within hours. Think about that. Most standard antidepressants take

1:39.1

weeks if they work at all. This was like hitting a reset button and it was fast. One of the fastest acting

1:46.6

non-pharmacological antidepressant treatments available, in fact. But here's the rub. The effect,

1:53.8

as almost all early observers noted, was rarely stable. It was like Cinderella's carriage

2:00.0

turning back into a pumpkin at midnight.

2:03.6

After a single night of recovery sleep, roughly 83% of unmedicated responders would relapse back

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