Hello, and welcome to Catholic Dance's live. Thanks so much for being here with us on this Thursday afternoon. We've got two hours of open form. I'm

Sy Kelly. I'll be your host and second hour Jimmy Aiken will be here this hour. Colin Donovan is our guest. Vice President of theology at the

EWTN Global Catholic Network and a member of the Pontifical International Marien Academy. Colin Donovan, thanks for being here.

That's good to be back as always. And how does that pontifical International Marien Academy gig pay about us? Well not quite as good as

EWTN, but also zero. Okay, yeah, but congratulations. Well, thank you. I mean, it's it's something of a mixed blessing. It basically took five years to deliver the

certificate to me for a lifetime appointment. So at least it doesn't need renew or I'll never see that. Okay, so you won't be having to go to the Vatican DMV to get renewed there. No, no, they wanted me to come

over because they make a deal at the end of Congresses of the of the Pontifical Academy, but you know, with COVID and everything I couldn't. So they

just decided to ship it over and as people saw Bishop Reica so graciously came and delivered it to me here about two weeks ago. So slow boat.

8883187884 is our number. You're welcome to ask whatever you like, but Marien theology is important. This has been an important part of your life as a

theologian. Well, it's been a certainly important part of my life personally in my own faith journey as I I've explained the number of articles in our press release and so on from EWTN.

And appointed out that, you know, the first sisters who taught me up in Saskatoon were the members of the community founded by Alphonse Radisbonus. So Mary, our lady,

miraculous medal in particular, but also the emphasized Fatima in those days, which I hate to say was the late 1950s. So that tells you how old I am. When there was great

expectations of all, you know, the Fatima news coming out in 1960 and the Pope was going to explain it to everybody. And of course, that didn't happen because Pope John 23rd said this does not concern my time. And I think we understand that it concerned our days and be in the

certificate of John Paul II. And really, even what we're continuing to see happening in the world with the battle between good and evil, especially over marriage and family as Sister Lucia pointed out to Cardinal Cofara at one point. So, yeah.

And the theological part of that is something that, as I became more theologically oriented in my thinking and my desire to read that was always a significant part of that whether it was the

writings of St. Alphonse Lagoury, the glories of Mary or our other authors, you know, Louie Demontfort certainly and even Maximilian Colby, his explanation of the magnetic conception. There's a great, there are many great writings in Maryology.

And I think, although the title of the discipline is sort of off-putting, especially to our non-catholic brothers and sisters, if you only reflect for a minute on the scriptural data and the proximity of our lady to the mission of Christ and that all of this had to have been

filled from all eternity by the Father, it gives you a clue as to what Mary's role in, not as a dumb instrument and, you know, in the hand of God to accomplish these things, but as an active human person making decisions, cooperating with grace, bringing and effecting things, including the beginning of our Lord's public ministry, which he accepted that she

did, even though in the eternal knowledge of God that wasn't to have been the moment in the temporal allowances of God, it was. And so there's so much there that we can intuit about God himself and his relationship with human beings in that most perfect of relationships with the human being who was not also the divine son.

It certainly makes her very distinctive in that, unlike he, she was pure creature on yet utterly faithful.

And it's just so beautiful, a beautiful person. I'm so happy. It really is a beautiful thing to hear you talk about her as not a dumb instrument, but as a person who lived a life and that life that she lived as a beautiful life.

And I think, you know, it's important to realize that we have a personal relationship with Jesus. This is always mentioned, especially by our evangelical friends.

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