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Hello and welcome back to Cult Leader. I'm your Cult Leader, Spencer Henry, and I am so pumped for today's episode that I want to get straight to it.

But first, let's do our little thing. Follow along online at Cult Leader Podcast. Rate and review on iTunes, please. I always forget to say that. And that's inevitably, of course, like the one thing that really helps.

So if you could take two seconds to do that, if you haven't already, that would be awesome. So Madison was over last night. If we were watching this little thing on AnacleSmith, because initially we were watching the AnacleSmith show on YouTube.

They put it, someone put up some of the episodes. And then Madison was like, how did she actually die? And I was like, I think it was this mixture combo of medications that ended up being lethal, but I don't know for sure.

And so we got stuck watching this like hour long video. And it was a reenactment of the 48 hours leading up to AnacleSmith's death. And it was so weird. I can't find the name, of course. But it was like a reenactment. And it made me have a lot of questions about the people that were around her, especially in those final 48 hours.

Because it just seemed kind of sus. And so we're watching it. And we'll keep in mind she didn't have good people around her in the first place. If we're being honest here, I mean the people that are even speaking in this little documentary thing, we're like, oh yeah, you know, she was a real big girl saying a lot of like making a lot of body shaming comments.

And not only that, this one guy comes on and he's like, oh, and an an anacleSmith, she was a pro, a real go getter. You know, she could go to sleep and sleep for an hour. And then she'd be up and ready to go. It's like, yeah, that's, that's called drugs.

You want to know how you can get by on an hour of sleep drugs. There's no other way. Oh, but her mom's on it. And it's like kind of dragging her the whole time.

Like, first off, did you know that her mom was actually a sheriff's deputy and that she didn't actually grow up dirt, porin, texas, like she always said. Her mom makes it sound like she just kind of made that whole story up.

And she also seemed kind of cold towards her. So I was like, who's actually telling the truth here? It felt like she was kind of trying to discredit Anna's rags to rich's story. I don't know. It felt weird.

I'm wondering too. I told Madison less than I'm like, I wonder if she's just mad because she wasn't in the will. An anacleSmith story has always just made me bummed out, but it was an interesting watch.

And I'm working on an upcoming episode that has to do with a celebrity death, not an anacle, where they died under mysterious circumstances, somewhat mysterious circumstances.

So I'm deep in celebrity death news right now. Today's story doesn't pertain to a celebrity per se, but they were definitely known in their niche.

And best of all, we get to hop in our cult leader time machine and go back to the 1930s. Have we ever done a true 1930s story before? I know we've got 20s, 40s. Pretty much everything else with 30s. I don't know. Let's do it.

It was the spring of 1937. East to Sunday, while it was in the midst of the Great Depression, New York City was still full of energy. Bustling streets, families walking up and down the avenues to rejoice with one another for a nice, evening celebration.

Ethel Kudner and her husband Joe approached her mother Mary Gettian's apartment, 316 East 50th Street, for an early supper.

They arrived at those father Joseph was waiting outside the building, even though he had separated from the mother Mary, he still made it a point to celebrate holiday dinners together.

I tried buzzing up, no one's answer in, he tells his daughter and son-in-law. They try to make their way inside and knock on the apartment door, but no answer.

They let themselves in, the radios go, and maybe nobody could hear them knocking. Anyone home? Immediately they can tell something's off. Food has been left out, uncooked, certainly not ready for an Easter dinner.

A drink spilled over on the kitchen counter struck curiosity, and then, a gruesome discovery.

They opened the door to the bedroom of 20-year-old Veronica Gettian, Ethel's younger sister, the youngest daughter of Joseph and Mary, to find her sprawled out, unclosed on her bed, stiff, cold. She was dead.

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