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Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile with yet another

episode about the people versus OJ Simpson. This is Jim Clemente and I am a

former New York City prosecutor and former FBI Supervisor, Special Agent and

Profiler, now retired and today with me is Laura Richards, founder of Paladin

National Stalking Advocacy Service and Criminal Behavioral Analyst trained at

the FBI on New Scotland Yard and Lisa Zambetti. I'm a casting director for

Criminal Minds where I work with my dear colleague and Clemente and I cast

killers and victims and everything in between. Awesome. So today we're going to

get back to the subject of the people versus OJ Simpson and we were talking last

time about I think we talked a little bit about episodes four and five but we're

going to go into a little more detail but the first thing we all agreed that

the name of episode four which on the TV show is 100% not guilty is probably

little inaccurate and we wanted to change it and in honor of Ron Goldman we're

going to call episode four Ron Goldman because I think he was the forgotten

victim, the one that very few people ever mentioned and there's probably some

reasons, some legitimate and some not legitimate that that happened but we'll

discuss that today and I think we all agree that the most poignant scene in this

entire series so far was when Ron's father Mr. Goldman, Fred Goldman, made a

statement about the fact that his son was sort of a footnote, something that

nobody really paid attention to when in fact he was a living, vibrant human being

and he deserved to get a little more airtime not only in this series but in the

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