Hey guys, this is Jenny Allen and you are listening to The Made for this podcast.

Hey everyone, this is Chloe. Welcome to another episode of The Made for this podcast.

Today, Jenny is interviewing John Mark Comer. John Mark is a pastor in Portland, Oregon

at Bridgetown Church. He's also the author of a new book coming out called The Ruthless

Elimination of Hurry. And you guys don't want to miss this. You'll hear more about him

at the end of the show, but I hope you enjoy today's conversation with Jenny and John Mark

Comer.

So I am excited, John Mark. Thanks so much for being here today.

Oh, absolutely joy.

So let's talk about this idea of being overwhelmed and where it comes from because it's real.

It's everywhere. In fact, I speak to a lot of women and I'll ask them questions sometimes.

And when I say how many of you are anxious or overwhelmed, it's almost the whole room.

So yeah, what is this problem and where does it come from?

Yeah, I mean, there's no short answer to that. I think you have the kind of surface level

causes that are technological such as we're just barely over a decade into this little thing

called the smartphone and urbanization and people living in cities and traffic. And we're

still only a century into the automobile, which is a blip in the human history story.

You know, so there's the kind of surface level issues of just noise and traffic and busyness

and the phone and digital distraction and American working, Americans working more hours

than ever before. And most homes being dual income now than the stress of raising kids

and both parents working and just there's all the surface level stuff. But then there's,

you know, I think below that a way deeper level, like human condition thing that goes

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