11/20/25 Matthew Hoh on Trump’s Rumored Ukraine Deal and the Legacy of Dick Cheney

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Scott Horton

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4.8 • 989 Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Scott brings Matthew Hoh back on the show to talk about the rumored deal Trump made with the Russians to end the war in Ukraine, the legacy of Dick Cheney, the ramifications of what Israel accomplished and has failed to accomplish in Gaza and more. Discussed on the show: “Top Army officials visit Kyiv on peace and tech sharing mission” (Politico) Scott’s Twitter thread Matthew Hoh is associate director at the Eisenhower Media Network and formerly worked for the U.S. State Department. Hoh received the Ridenhour Prize Recipient for Truth Telling in 2010. Subscribe to his Substack and follow him on Twitter @MatthewPHoh Audio cleaned up with the Podsworth app: https://podsworth.com Use code HORTON50 for 50% off your first order at Podsworth.com to clean up your voice recordings, sound like a pro, and also support the Scott Horton Show! For more on Scott’s work: Check out The Libertarian Institute: https://www.libertarianinstitute.org Check out Scott’s other show, Provoked, with Darryl Cooper https://youtube.com/@Provoked_Show Read Scott’s books: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine https://amzn.to/47jMtg7 (The audiobook of Provoked is being published in sections at https://scotthortonshow.com) Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism: https://amzn.to/3tgMCdw Fool’s Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan https://amzn.to/3HRufs0 Follow Scott on X @scotthortonshow And check out Scott’s full interview archives: https://scotthorton.org/all-interviews This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Incorporated https://rrbi.co Moon Does Artisan Coffee https://scotthorton.org/coffee; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom https://www.libertyclassroom.com/dap/a/?a=1616 and Dissident Media https://dissidentmedia.com You can also support Scott’s work by making a one-time or recurring donation at https://scotthorton.org/donate/ https://scotthortonshow.com or https://patreon.com/scotthortonshow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen of the press have been less than honest, reporting to the American people, what's going on in this country?
0:11.0	Because the babies are making it.
0:13.0	We're dealing with Hitler Revisited.
0:15.0	This is the Scott Horton Show, Libertarian Foreign Policy, mostly.
0:21.7	When the president doesn't, that means that it is not a legal.
0:24.5	We're going to take out seven countries in five years.
0:27.0	They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
0:29.3	Negotiate now.
0:31.4	End this war.
0:33.5	And now, here's your host, Scott Horton.
0:39.3	All right, you guys.
0:41.6	Introducing the great Matthew Ho.
0:43.7	He was a captain in the U.S. Marine Corps.
0:46.0	Then he went to work for the State Department.
0:47.7	He was in Iraq War II.
0:49.0	He went to work for the State Department in Afghanistan
0:50.9	where he was the heroic whistleblower of 2009.
0:56.0	If Barack Obama had any courage whatsoever, he would have hid behind Matthew Ho and said, this guy says that, no, man,
1:03.0	it's not going to work because he warned in the summer of 09, don't surge and escalate the war.
1:09.9	You're going to make it worse and lose anyway. And he was 100% vindicated. And, 9, don't surge and escalate the war. You're going to make it worse and lose anyway.
1:11.9	And he was 100% vindicated.
1:14.2	And it's a hell of a thing in American history.
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