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The History of the Americans

#108 The Dissenters: Roger Williams Part 1

The History of the Americans

Jack Henneman

History

4.9632 Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

First off, a brief item of business for those of you listening in close to real time – on April 11, 2023, I’ll be in Washington with some free time in the evening.  If Washington area listeners want to do a meet up, send me a note at thehistoryoftheamericans@gmail.com, through the website, or by DM on Twitter.  If we get a few takers I’ll find some place that is reasonably convenient to DuPont Circle where I will be staying, and get it organized.  I hope we can do it!

In this episode we recount Roger Williams’ first few years in Massachusetts, following his refusal of the post of “teacher” at the church in Boston on the ground that it was insufficiently “separated.” In the years until 1624, Williams would begin to develop his idea that church and state must be separate. With the goal of saving Indian souls, he also deepened his understanding of the local tribes and Algonquian language and culture. He would live in Salem, then Plymouth, and back to Salem, but he spent most of his time abroad in the land, paddling his canoe from one Indian village to another. Also during these years, religious zeal in both Massachusetts and back in England, although in different form, would become even more extreme. Zealotry, it would turn out, was not all it was cracked up to be.

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Selected references for this episode

John M. Barry, Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul

Edmund Morgan, Roger Williams: The Church and State

Edmund S. Morgan, The Puritan Dilemma: The Story of John Winthrop

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the History of the Americans podcast, episode 108.

0:10.3

I'm your host, Jack Heneman, and I'm recording this episode on March 5, 23, in Austin, Texas.

0:18.1

We are telling the history of the lands now encompassed by the United States from the

0:22.8

beginning without presentism. First off, a brief item of business, call it an announcement,

0:29.4

for those of you listening in something close to real time. On April 11, 2023, I'll be in Washington,

0:36.3

D.C. for an evening, and I'll have some spare time.

0:40.4

If any Washington area listeners want to do a meetup, get a beer, something like that,

0:45.8

send me a note at the History of the Americans at gmail.com, or through the website, or by direct message on Twitter.

0:54.4

If I get a few takers, I'll find a place, probably fairly convenient to the DuPont Circle area where I'll be staying, and ink it into the calendar.

1:04.1

I hope we can do it.

1:06.0

When last we left Roger Williams, he'd arrived at Boston, been offered the important job of teacher at the Boston

1:12.9

Church, and turned it down with somewhat less than his usual personal charm. The Boston Church was not

1:19.9

separated from the Anglican Church, and Williams said that he durst not officiate an unseparated people.

1:29.0

We discussed the internal logic of separatism up to this point in episode 106,

1:35.3

introduction to Puritan theology, which you would benefit from listening to before this one.

1:41.7

John Winthrop, governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, was sufficiently troubled

1:46.1

by Williams, whom he personally liked, to write a response and attract titled,

1:52.0

Reasons to Prove a Necessity of Reformation from the Corruptions of Antichrist, which hath

1:59.4

defile the Christian churches, and yet without absolute separation from

2:05.9

them, as if they were no churches of Christ. Winthrop, however, was no theologian. He was the governor

2:13.5

of a colony chartered at the sufferance of King Charles I and did not have the luxury of

2:19.5

following the logic of separation to its relentless conclusion, as Roger Williams would eventually do.

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