Much of a difference did that make for your fishing?

Oh, immeasurable.

Maybe you'll cut this out because it's cool and you sell five million different rig components.

But the best rig in the world, okay, is a...

The Thinking Tackle Podcast.

Welcome to The Thinking Tackle Podcast.

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And this is one episode not to miss because we have got a man who barely needs an introduction, Jason Hayward.

He's come here to tell all his secrets, mate.

I've come here to be nailed down, apparently.

We're going to talk technical.

We're going to talk rigs.

We're going to talk bait and a very, very misunderstood link between the two, Jase. Yeah, what I believe. But yeah, if it is, if anyone wants to turn off now, it is a technical thing. I ain't come here to tell funny stories today. No, and all your fish stories, you know, we've got, you have caught and continue to catch some of the best carp in the country, but with shelving that, mate.

We're going to talk about how.

And you are someone who I remember working with a long time ago, and the talk, the whispers were that you had plenty of secrets and you were not always willing, let's say, to divulge.

And I understand that, mate, but you come from,

you know, when you were young, you were doing a lot of pioneering, a lot of research, and perhaps

you weren't willing to just share so freely. Well, a lot of it is not just, I don't want to share,

because close friends and people are known, you know, if people think I'm genuine,

I will share stuff with them. But it's not the fact of the real fact of the matter in this day

and ages, I'm not attached to any companies and stuff like that. So I've got no impetus to

put it out there. So if I, if something takes me six months to find out, really, why are you going to just give it away like that?

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