The following is a conversation with Peter Singer, professor of bioethics at Princeton University,

best known for his 1975 book Animal Liberation that makes an ethical case against eating meat.

He has written brilliantly from an ethical perspective on extreme poverty,

euthanasia, human genetic selection, sports doping, the sale of kidneys, and generally happiness,

including in his books Ethics in the Real World and The Life You Can Save. He was a key

popularizer of the effective altruism movement and is generally considered one of the most

influential philosophers in the world. Quick summary of the ads, two sponsors,

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As you may know, I primarily eat a ketogenic or carnivore diet, which means that most of my

diet is made up of me. I do not hunt the food I eat, though one day I hope to. I love fishing,

for example, fishing and eating the fish I catch has always felt much more honest than participating

in the supply chain of factory farming. From an ethics perspective, this part of my life has always

had a cloud over it. It makes me think. I've tried a few times in my life to reduce the amount of

meat I eat, but for some reason, whatever the makeup of my body, whatever the way I practice the

dieting I have, I get a lot of mental and physical energy and performance from eating meat.

So both intellectually and physically, it's a continued journey for me. I return to Peter's work

often to reevaluate the ethics of how I live this aspect of my life. Let me also say that you

may be a vegan or you may be a meat eater and maybe upset by the words I say or Peter says,

but I ask for this podcast and other episodes of this podcast that you keep an open mind.

I may and probably will talk with people you disagree with. Please try to really listen,

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