Howdy, Sean? How you doing? Good. How are you? Oh, I'm great. Great. Thanks for coming all

the way from San Francisco. Yeah, right. Yeah, thank you for inviting me to come on your platform,

come on your show, and be able to tell my story and maybe provide some value

to your listeners. Yeah. I love stories like yours. What is your shirt? Know where to go but

up. Can you explain that? Yeah. So this is the nonprofit that I started. It's actually nowhere to go

but up incorporated. That's what it's the umbrella it's under. And then nowhere to go but a project

is the basically what it's going to it's under. And then nowhere to go, but a project is the, basically what it's going to be,

and I'm building out the board of directors right now for it.

But it's going to be a living facility for males specifically 18 to 24 years old that are

coming out of incarceration and re-entering into the community.

And so basically it's like a one-stop shop. It's like it can be a year to a year and a half with

programming and also like everything that you would need to integrate back into society from,

you know, skills to, you know, counseling, to job placement, job assistance, resume building,

all the stuff that you would need to kind of like seamlessly get into society, figure out how to

become a man again and get your dignity back and then be able to move on either you know the successful ones could either

come back and be teachers and work for the nonprofit itself or just move on and continue on with

life so what made you want to do all this that sounds like a lot of work it is a lot of work but

um my the podcast nowhere to go but up.

And also, like my journey, it all started with, you know, I'm part of that population.

You know, I did time in federal and state prison, not long periods of time, but, you know, enough to let me know that I don't want to go back there, right?

And so what I ended up doing was, you know, well, let's go back to the beginning.

You know, my story is not one of those prison stories where I'm going to tell you about all the people that I saw stabbed or, you know, all the bad things that happened while I was there.

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