106: Chinese Hybrid Warfare and Lawfare in the Solomon Islands Guest: Cleo Paskal Cleo Paskal detailed China's hybrid warfare in the Solomon Islands, focusing on Daniel Suidani, a former premier of Malaita who resisted Chinese influence by instituting a morato
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🗓️ 20 November 2025
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Guest: Cleo Paskal
Cleo Paskal detailed China's hybrid warfare in the Solomon Islands, focusing on Daniel Suidani, a former premier of Malaita who resisted Chinese influence by instituting a moratorium on CCP-linked businesses due to concerns over environmental and social harm, but after being politically ousted, he and his colleague were targeted with spurious "lawfare" charges (unlawful assembly) designed to demoralize and bankrupt them, with Suidani tragically dying of kidney failure after being denied use of a China-donated dialysis machine, while India-donated machines sat unused due to government stonewalling on training.
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. |
| 0:08.5 | Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:11.9 | This is CBSI on the world. |
| 0:14.1 | I'm John Batchel, joined by my good colleague Cleo Pascal of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy. |
| 0:20.3 | We apply ourselves routinely to the vast |
| 0:23.0 | Oceania, the Indo-Pacific, and the contest between the People's Republic of China, the United |
| 0:29.3 | States, Australia, and other good actors to keep the Chinese from overwhelming the people |
| 0:34.5 | who live there with inducements, sometimes called bribes, |
| 0:38.4 | and with violence and threats of violence. |
| 0:41.1 | We're going now to the Solomon Islands. |
| 0:43.6 | That is Guadalcanal to American lore, but it's a series of islands. |
| 0:47.4 | Guadalcanal is one of them. |
| 0:49.1 | One of the islands is Malata. |
| 0:51.6 | And in the spring of 2023, Cleo Pascal, traveling with a man named Daniel Suadani, |
| 0:58.2 | representing Milita to Washington, introduced me to Daniel, and we interview it online. That program is |
| 1:06.1 | available on my podcast. I learned from Cleo at that moment and here-to-fore meeting Daniel Suadani that he represented |
| 1:14.9 | people in his district, Maleta, who did not want Chinese domination, who pushed back |
| 1:22.4 | against it, and Daniel Suadani had been the premier of the legislature on Maleta. |
| 1:28.7 | It's a federal system. |
| 1:34.9 | There's one capital, but there are islands that have their own governance. He had been threatened and dislodged by sympathetic Chinese actors because he was resisting. This resistance started |
| 1:43.1 | somewhat earlier when he needed medical attention and |
| 1:46.6 | traveled to Taipei, Taiwan. That was his sin. He traveled to Taipei. And China then declared him |
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