106: Canada-China Relations and Chinese Deception Guest: Charles Burton Charles Burton, author of The Beaver and the Dragon, discussed Canada's troubled relationship with China, criticizing the new Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney for adopting rhetoric favo
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🗓️ 20 November 2025
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Guest: Charles Burton
Charles Burton, author of The Beaver and the Dragon, discussed Canada's troubled relationship with China, criticizing the new Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney for adopting rhetoric favoring "pragmatic and constructive relations," suggesting Canada might ally with China's geostrategic goal of undermining U.S.-backed liberal democracies, with Carney's accelerated meetings with Xi Jinping possibly being attempts to secure market access or apply pressure on the U.S., while Burton noted concerns over the non-implementation of Canada's foreign agent registry despite issues like Chinese espionage and election interference.
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI on the world. |
| 0:07.5 | I'm John Batchew with Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and co-host. |
| 0:11.5 | And we welcome the author, Charles Burden of Synopsis, author of the new book, The Beaver and the Dragon, |
| 0:18.9 | the story of Canada's troubled relationship with the Chinese |
| 0:23.2 | miracle these last decades, the rise of the Chinese capitalist state with Chinese characteristics |
| 0:31.4 | that has now led us to confrontation here in the third decade of the 21st century. |
| 0:39.9 | The beaver and the dragon is a comprehensive look at how this relationship fell apart. We come now to the general statement that the |
| 0:47.2 | numbers and metrics and opinion out of China are wholly unreliable right now, wholly unreliable. That's a point that the FTE |
| 0:57.0 | article makes very clear. It presses the point. When it happened is debatable, but 2010 is not a bad |
| 1:03.7 | year. We now have a headline, however, that suggests that Canada hasn't learned a lesson from |
| 1:10.2 | its own people because it was the National |
| 1:12.2 | Bureau of Statistics of Canada. It was hired by the Chinese regime in the 90s to help it state |
| 1:18.8 | its GDP and other metrics in order to assure its trading partners that there was progress. |
| 1:25.6 | So now Canada, according to this headline, Taipei cautious as Canada and China |
| 1:31.3 | restart high-level engagement. Charles, a very good day to you. Your book is evidence. The articles |
| 1:38.3 | that have been written about your book across Canada, congratulations, is reinforcement that the statements that you make in your book are substantive. |
| 1:48.1 | Mark Carney is the new prime minister. |
| 1:50.4 | I understand there's a dispute with Washington, but at the same time, are the lessons that |
| 1:55.2 | you've imported from your experience in China? |
| 1:59.5 | Are they being listened to in Ottawa? |
| 2:01.4 | Do they see that the Chinese are deceiving when they negotiate? |
| 2:07.0 | Well, I don't think they're being listened to, at least in terms of the public statements |
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