For only about 30 days, very short pontificate of Paul the 6 was controversial and

then we get into the time of John Paul the 2nd and I'm joined today by a man I've

admired for a long time. I've read his work, Father Charles Murr.

Father, Murr, was John Paul one murdered?

In Villa Shiara on the Janiclo Hill, the Sunday after the Pope's death, I asked that very question to Cardinal Gagnon.

And his answer to me was,

there are any number of ways to murder a man.

All right?

That was exactly his answer.

I took it as meaning yes, but not the way that you would think that he was murdered.

There was a lot of talk at that time in Rome about poisoning,

that he was poisoned, that John Paul I was poisoned.

Gagnon had evidently heard already about the shouting match that went on the night before the night of his death.

So he wasn't so ready to say to exclude that.

So yes, I think he was I think he was murdered.

Yes, I think he was murdered.

But in a different way than people would have guessed at or or yeah.

Well, let's get into that today. It's going to be good.

Father, I like for you to maybe open for a prayer for us, and then we'll jump in, we'll talk about

his infiltration real, we'll talk about Pius the 12th, John the 23rd, Paul the 6th, John Paul 1 won I mean you were an eyewitness you are definitely an insider and all these things and I think

a lot of our audience already knows who you are but it's gonna this is gonna be a good interview

I'm looking forward to it for a long time

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