So I tend to think about it more, you know, as us kind of standing in a circle.

What do I have to give to this long-term success?

And if anything, whoever that learner is is sort of in the center of the circle like rising,

like as the result of all of these contributions, right?

I'm just like this Simba Lion King on, you know, Pride Rock sort of a moment in my head.

That's what I'm striving for with these

collaborations what do I have what do you have what does the client have how do we all

add So when we were chatting before we started recording, you told me that you thought that there was a difference, or you described a difference between fear and anxiety.

And I have a lot of questions about that.

But I wanted to give you a chance to defend yourself

first. So if you want to explain a little bit, like, what exactly do you mean? What's the difference

between fear and anxiety as far as you're concerned? First of all, I love that I'm starting out on the

defensive. Like, wait a minute, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, wait. That makes me smile. So, yeah, you're absolutely right.

We were chatting about fear and anxiety, and I find that they tend to get lumped together.

We talk about, oh, fear, anxiety, stress, maybe even arousal lumpting in there together.

And in certain contexts, that's not inappropriate.

And I'm happy to dive into that, too.

But from a clinical standpoint, I absolutely, absolutely tease

out what I believe to be more of a fear-based response or what I believe to be more is an anxiety

response. And for me, that becomes relevant not only in terms of the history that might lead me,

and I say history,

meaning history or observations, that leads me down one path versus another from a diagnosis

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