Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes of Briden and

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Podcasts or the Wondery app.

Sally Quinn as you're about to hear is a character, a great character. She rose to journalistic

notoriety and prominence at the Washington Post as the as a style reporter. She really

covered the Washington DC social scene for many, many years. It was a big part of the scene.

She ended up marrying Ben Bradley, the famous editor of the Washington Post who was the

editor during the Pentagon Papers and Watergate. Later on, got interested in faith and spirituality

and started a website for the Washington Post called on faith. During which time she had

a transformation from being an atheist to something else. What that's something else is.

I'll let her describe in this interview. She's also got her own, I would say brand

of meditation. When I talk about meditation, mostly I'm talking about mindfulness meditation,

pay attention to your breath when you get lost, start again. But I'm always very open about

the fact that the word meditation, as you'll hear me saying, this conversation is a little

bit like the word sports in that it describes a whole range of activities. And you're going

to hear a very smart person, a very interesting person talk about the kind of meditation that

she's kind of designed for herself. And also about her transformation, as I said, from

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