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103: Mary Kissel Mary Kissel addresses three foreign policy dilemmas: regarding Venezuela, the US military buildup is seen as leverage to force dialogue with Maduro following a successful playbook used against North Korea; in Europe, she notes a dichotomy betw

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Mary Kissel
Mary Kissel addresses three foreign policy dilemmas: regarding Venezuela, the US military buildup is seen as leverage to force dialogue with Maduro following a successful playbook used against North Korea; in Europe, she notes a dichotomy between committed Eastern European states and "weaker lazier" Western powers regarding support for Ukraine; and the China dilemma involves whether to treat Beijing as a legitimate trading partner or an enemy narco-terrorist state responsible for exporting fentanyl precursors, with Kissel suggesting current US policy is confused and benefits the CCP.

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchel.

0:11.7

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. I welcome my colleague, Mary Kistel, Executive Vice President Stevens, Inc.

0:19.9

Former Senior Advisor of the Secretary of State,

0:22.1

and many years with the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, including in Asia.

0:26.7

I call upon Mary's experience to comment on three dilemmas now facing the Trump administration

0:33.5

in foreign policy, existential dilemmas.

0:38.7

We begin in Venezuela.

0:47.0

The fleet that is gathered off the coast of Venezuela is extremely powerful enough to take a continent.

0:55.7

At this instance, so it is regarded as a demonstration of concern that the people of Venezuela are at risk from the Madura regime that is illegitimate, that practices brutality and murder routinely, and is also

1:02.3

part of a drug cartel, the cartel of the sons, that is about saving the smuggling of poison into the United States and killing American citizens.

1:13.5

That is well known. It's not debatable. What we're dealing with here is what is to be done about

1:18.4

moving Maduro regime out of Caracas and having the legitimately elected presidency of Gonzalez

1:26.3

from last summer installed in a way that the nine

1:30.4

million people said to be having fled Venezuela can return to their homes. The dilemma is what is to

1:37.0

be done, to use the kinetic power of the fleet and the Air Force and the Marine Corps and all of the

1:44.0

tools of the United States,

1:46.0

or do you instead, these last days, begin a dialogue, a talk, conversation with Maduro leaving,

1:53.0

perhaps with promises, perhaps not. There is the dilemma that the President faces right now.

1:59.2

He made remarks the other day, offhandedly as the president does,

2:04.2

that he's almost made up his mind.

2:06.1

We don't know.

2:07.1

Go or no go.

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