103: Jonathan Schanzer CONTINUED ALSO RUSSIANS IN SYRIA Jonathan Schanzer discusses Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), calling him a deeply flawed but essentiaAl leader driving Saudi modernization and normalization with Israel,
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🗓️ 19 November 2025
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ALSO RUSSIANS IN SYRIA
Jonathan Schanzer discusses Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), calling him a deeply flawed but essentiaAl leader driving Saudi modernization and normalization with Israel,
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with my good colleague Jonathan Shanzer, who helps me understand a moving |
| 0:09.0 | landscape. No more moving in the Middle East than Syria. Within these last days, Jonathan mentions Turkey. |
| 0:16.2 | Russia is reported to have officers of the Russian army touring southern Syria and in Damascus, invited by, |
| 0:24.4 | we believe, the government of a man named Al-Shara. At the same time, Al-Sharra is negotiating with the U.S., |
| 0:30.3 | you remember that meeting in the White House a week past. Al-Shar sitting in the chair of Muhammad bin Salman is sitting in. |
| 0:36.8 | Al-Shar is saying the Israelis must leave, and therefore everything can happen. |
| 0:41.1 | At the same time, the U.S. is negotiating for access to an airbase in Syria, |
| 0:47.0 | perhaps near Damascus, perhaps to the northeast toward the Kurds. |
| 0:51.1 | At the same time, there was talk of Turkey getting an air base in central Syria. |
| 0:56.8 | And if this isn't complicated enough, there is said to be a trial underway of the security |
| 1:02.5 | forces who were responsible or participated in the massacre of Druze at the Suwaita province |
| 1:07.4 | earlier this year. To my knowledge, there's no investigation underway for the |
| 1:12.2 | Alawite massacre, but it could follow. All of this is a lot of showmanship. Where's it going, |
| 1:17.4 | Jonathan? It looks chaotic. It is chaotic, John. Look, the easiest way that I can describe this is |
| 1:24.9 | that Syria is barely controlled by Abu Muhammad al-Jolani, |
| 1:31.7 | Ahmad al-Shara. This is a man that is under immense strain right now. There is a tug of war |
| 1:38.2 | that is occurring right now, primarily between the Saudis and the Emirates on one side, the pragmatic Arab states |
| 1:46.6 | and the Turks and the Qataris on the other. |
| 1:49.3 | These are the Muslim Brotherhood supporting states. |
| 1:52.2 | Ahmed al-Shara is somewhere in between. |
| 1:54.3 | He is working now to try to get – and he's actually with some success. |
| 1:58.1 | He's gotten Syria off of the international sanctions by the Brits. |
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