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103: CONTINED Gregory Copley analyzes the symbolic rail sabotage in Poland questioning Russian involvement, and addresses the declining viability of NATO's Article 5 and

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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CONTINED
Gregory Copley

analyzes the symbolic rail sabotage in Poland questioning Russian involvement, and addresses the declining viability of NATO's Article 5 and

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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world.

0:07.1

I'm John Batchel.

0:08.3

Poland.

0:09.3

The report from the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk over these last hours is that there was dynamite used on the major rail line in Poland.

0:20.2

Therefore, the dynamite was the product of sabotage.

0:24.0

Who did it?

0:25.0

The immediate response from Donald Tusk on the first hours of the investigation

0:29.2

was that it had something to do with Russian hybrid warfare.

0:33.8

However, now we're told from the F.T.

0:36.6

And this is a moving story. The investigation is

0:38.7

underway that two Ukrainian nationals are suspect and that they have fled to Belarus. The next

0:47.0

move is question mark. Gregory, we're looking at an operation that is useful to give an example of how gray the combat can be in Europe

0:59.1

and why NATO's Article 5 may not be practical in the 21st century.

1:04.5

However, the suspects have fled into Belarus, which everyone can assume is an agent of Russia.

1:14.5

The eventuality of dynamite is unusual.

1:19.0

It's a little old-fashioned, but it does get the job done that whoever did this has other tools.

1:25.8

And you sort this out because hybrid warfare is likely to be the

1:29.6

future, not the past. Well, it's always been the future and the currency of global conflicts

1:36.5

short of total war. We harken back to 2022. You remember when the Nord Stream 2 pipelines

1:43.6

through the Baltic were blown up, thus stopping any chance of the Russian supplying natural gas through those pipelines to Germany.

1:56.0

And immediately, Blame was put on Russia for this.

1:59.9

And yet you have, even at the time you and I

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