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#1028 - Peter Zeihan - The New World Order Is Here

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.74.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Peter Zeihan is a geopolitical analyst, speaker and author. What does the next decade really hold? Beneath every forecast about the future, one thing quietly determines everything else: energy. From globalization to warfare to artificial intelligence, how will the world be reshaped in the years ahead? Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get up to $50 off the RP Hypertrophy App at https://rpstrength.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off any Saily data plan at https://saily.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

America doesn't win the next era because it's brilliant. It wins because everyone else is screwed.

0:06.7

What's that mean? It doesn't exactly fit on a bumper sticker, but yeah, that broadly works.

0:11.7

You got two big things that are going on. Number one, in the globalized world, it's all about who you can access safely.

0:18.8

And in the Western Hemisphere, we really don't have to worry about any security threats from a trade point of view.

0:40.7

So people always talk about, oh, if the U.S. and China get into a war, won't that be bad for X, Y, or Z? I don't mean to suggest it would be a piece of cake. But the Chinese are dependent on trade and we're not. It's really that simple. And if we can nail down Canada and Mexico in a productive relationship, you know, we used to call that NAFTA or NAFTA too.

0:38.2

We're now having... It's really that simple. And if we can nail down Canada and Mexico in a productive relationship,

0:42.2

you know, we used to call that NAFTA or NAFTA too. We're now having second thoughts.

0:48.8

That's half the hard work right there. In addition, we export food. We export energy. The Chinese import both biggest in the world, in fact. And so maintaining supply chains for us is an issue of building the industrial plant.

0:57.5

And while you can't just wave a magic wand to make that happen overnight, we've done this

1:02.3

several times before.

1:03.4

Every country on the planet has.

1:04.6

Of course we can do it again.

1:06.5

It would just be nice if we started sooner rather than later.

1:09.5

The other piece is that the Chinese

1:11.4

stopped having babies about 45 years ago, and they're now on the verge of running out of 50-year-olds,

1:16.7

and there is not an economic model that humans have yet to dream up that will work with

1:22.4

where they will be demographically in less than 10 years time. So we are living in the equivalent of like

1:29.0

2006 subprime where everyone's like all ooh and ah and it's all about to go tits up.

1:37.0

Appropriately apocalyptic from you to start. The stuff about China, is that a challenge of just geography,

1:50.7

viroam, biome, topsoil, just sort of the constitution of where they are? Is that,

1:58.6

that's sort of one of the fundamental problems? All of that, all of that

2:02.8

is legitimate concerns. The river where most of them live on, the yellow isn't navigable. They have

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