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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

102: How to Deal With a Suicidal Patient

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4856 Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2018

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Suicidal thoughts and urges are very common among depressed patients. The vast majority of depressed individuals have thoughts of suicide from time to time, and some struggle with serious suicidal urges. The experts tell us that 10% to 15% of chronically depressed individuals do eventually commit suicide, even if they are receiving treatment for depression. It is hard for me to believe that suicide is that common, but even if it is only 2% or 3%, that’s still very significant, especially if you have a large clinical practice and you treat lots of depressed individuals.

Suicide attempts are shocking and devastating for the patient, for the family, and for the therapist as well. The loss of a patient through suicide is the dark side of our profession. The loss of life is a horrible and unnecessary tragedy, since the feelings of hopelessness that trigger suicidal urges are always the result of cognitive distortions; the belief that you are hopeless and cannot improve is never valid. Yet, the depressed patient does not realize this, and sometimes turns to suicide as the only way out of the suffering.

Sadly, clinicians' capacity to assess suicidal urges in patients they are treating is very poor, and not significantly different from zero. In this podcast, I describe how you can solve this problem with the use of the EASY Diagnostic System and suicide interview at the initial evaluation, and the use of the Brief Mood Survey at all subsequent sessions, with no exceptions.

In this podcast, I focus on two things. First, how can the clinician identify and evaluate a new (or old) patient who is struggling with suicidal thoughts and fantasies and determine if the patient is at risk for a suicide attempt? Second, how can the therapist make the patient accountable and guarantee that the patient will not now, or ever, make a suicide attempt? The “defensive psychotherapy” I recommend will sound unfamiliar to many therapists but can save lives and make your practice far more peaceful and rewarding! The approach to the suicidal patient involves Paradoxical Agenda Setting techniques, including the Gentle Ultimatum and Sitting with Open Hands.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

0:12.4

I am your host, Fabrice Nye.

0:14.7

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

0:19.0

Hi, David.

0:20.0

Hi, Fabrice.

0:23.8

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

0:30.2

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

0:35.5

over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor

0:40.0

of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine. Welcome to episode 102 of the

0:47.3

Feeling Good podcast. We're reconvening here, David and I, after several weeks of not seeing each other.

0:57.0

Lots of things have happened, especially on the workshop front.

1:03.3

David, you did an intensive in Whistler and then one in in south San Francisco.

1:12.8

Want to tell us how those went?

1:17.2

They were really, really tremendous experiences.

1:20.9

The ratings at both locations were pretty much the highest workshop ratings I've had in 25 or 30 years.

1:29.8

Why is that?

1:30.7

Well, I did two things.

1:33.2

I've been kind of practicing what I preach to a certain extent.

1:38.6

And when we've done the interpersonal model, we've talked about that you get back, but what you put out,

1:47.2

we create our own interpersonal reality.

1:50.1

And I've been asking myself, what are the things that I do that are really helpful to people?

1:56.0

And then what are the things I do in teaching that are kind of turnoffs to people?

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