This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Rex Hewerman.

In the annals of American true crime, there's a particular category of cases that haunts not just because of the violence,

but because of how long it went unseen by the people closest to the perpetrator.

When we think of BTK, Dennis Rader,

who bound, tortured, and killed for years,

but raising a daughter, attending church,

writing code enforcement citations, his family had no idea.

Then there's Israel Keys, another example of a man who lived two lives so completely that his crimes were undetected by even those sleeping in the same house.

And now we add another name, Rex Heuerman, the accused Gilgo Beach

serial killer. On paper, an architect, a father, a husband, behind closed doors, according to prosecutors,

something much more sinister was taking shape. The case that shocked the nation, but maybe no one

more than his own family. His wife,

Asa Alrip, his daughter, Victoria, they say they didn't know. And for many watching from the

outside, that's hard to understand. How can someone be that close to a suspected serial killer

and not suspect a thing? It's a good question. Tell me in the comments

about what your thoughts are on this case. We're going to unpack this in just a moment. Before we do

that, press subscribe again wherever you're listening to the podcast and check out our YouTube channel.

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conversation right there. So to help us unpack all this, I'm joined by someone who has spent

his career studying deception, secrecy, and human behavior, one of the best in the world.

Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent and former chief of the counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program for the FBI.

He's worked with spies, traitors, manipulators, people who live double lives for years without detection.

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