10: Julie Lindahl: Shaking the poisoned fruit of shame out of the family tree

The Portal

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🗓️ 31 October 2019

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Eric sits down with Julie Lindahl, author of "The Pendulum". What happens when an ethnically German girl growing up in Brazil gets curious to finally make sense of her family history to stop the cycle of dysfunction? Julie Lindahl’s new book "The Pendulum" shows us what it can take to find a portal out of inter-generational trauma. Eric welcomes his house-guest Julie Lindahl to tell her extraordinary story on this episode of The Portal. The episode is raw and recorded at home on a hand held device; there will be no video.

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0:00.0	Hello, you found the portal. I'm your host, Eric Weinstein, and I'm here today with author
0:12.6	of the pendulum, Julie Lindelge. Julie, welcome. Thank you. So, Julie, we're doing this in
0:18.2	a little bit of a different situation than I usually do. You've been staying with us
0:22.6	here in Los Angeles in our home for several nights, and we did not know each other beforehand,
0:28.8	but you are on a book tour. Is that right? That's right. And I got very lucky staying with you.
0:34.0	No, we've been having a blast talking to you and just really enjoying your stay. Can you tell us a
0:39.6	little bit about who you are and what book it is that has brought you from Europe over to the
0:47.4	states? Yes. Well, I am a cosmopolitan who ended up 24 years ago settling in Sweden.
0:58.1	Had the pleasure and surprise of ending up living on a small isolated island in Sweden for about
1:08.2	a decade, where I had some time to start to reflect about my family's past, and also grew
1:17.4	some roots to be able to become grounded in order to be able to do the work. I didn't know I was
1:25.6	going to do the work, but then in April 2010 went to the Bundesartkeef in Germany and asked whether
1:35.2	they had any material on my grandparents who were German. I was born in Brazil in 1967. My mother
1:43.4	was born in occupied Poland in 1941, and most people around me always laughed a bit that I hadn't
1:50.6	put two and two together, but I guess I had tried to look away from those facts. And so the
1:58.9	documents I received there set me off on a very long journey. I didn't know that it would be that
2:04.1	long. Six-year journey through Germany, Poland, Brazil, and Paraguay to learn about the role my
2:13.5	grandparents played in the Third Reich. Wow, that's a hell of an answer to a question. So here you are,
2:22.2	talking about I guess secrets deeply hidden from you about why a German girl would be growing up in
2:35.0	Brazil. Can you tell us a little bit about your evolution as to how you came to understand that
2:42.0	there might be something fairly interesting in this family story? Well, first of all, there's a part
2:47.7	of me that's German, so my mother's German, but my father was an American, which also made matters
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