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This one is a bit of a celebration of the 10 years of my creating the History of the

papacy podcast. In the course of 10 years of publishing the history of the papacy, I have

collaborated with Gary Stevens the most by far. I have published hours and hours of content with Gary, but hours of side conversations

and ramblings have ended up on the editing room floor.

Just for some context, I've recorded my first episode with Gary all the way back in 2015.

We've recorded a number of episodes and series.

If you're interested, we have episodes on James the Just, the book of Daniel,

Gnosticism, and much, much more.

We also always record on what is my late Saturday evening and his early Sunday morning, which always makes things really interesting.

Today I have one example of the sometimes ridiculous, sometimes funny, maybe entertaining ramblings of two fellows talking from almost exact opposite

sides of the globe.

Keep your eye out for some more special episodes celebrating the 10-year anniversary of

the History of the Papacy podcast.

Now I present to you the most boring side conversation in the history of podcasting.

All right, I think we're getting back. I got us a little off track here. I am completely, my allergies have been terrible, and then I got my first pair of bifocals yesterday.

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